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[00:00:00] Manisha Koirala: I went for the screen test and, the director said, you’re a shit actress. And I just couldn’t take that. I said, what? No, I mean, I really love this job and. Okay. Then I said,please give me one more chance and I’m gonna come back tomorrow. Honestly, cd I had no idea what I was going to do different tomorrow.
[00:00:26] Manisha Koirala: Ah, but I just had four, the two or three pages with me. I went back home and I put in every minute I had. Until tomorrow. And I didn’t eat. I didn’t sleep. My mother thought I was going crazy. She was worried sick. She said, forget about this movie.
[00:00:46] Manisha Koirala: It’s no big deal. You’re a good actress. You sh you don’t have to get this movie. You know, just don’t go crazy like this. But I said, no, ma, I have to give my 200%, not 100, but 200%. and [00:01:00] so I just went, I just took as much as I could, took all that in, and next day when I went and performed, he said, Manisha, if you were zero yesterday, you are a hundred.
[00:01:12] Chris Dorris: Today. Most of us never learned how to train our brains, which is why most of us needlessly settle, struggle, and worse stuffer. My name is Chris Doris, and I wanna make brain training mainstream. This is my series, tough Talks, conversations on Mental Toughness. I’m interviewing bad asses from all walks of life on what mental toughness means to them and their unique approaches to strengthening their minds.
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[00:02:12] Chris Dorris: L i s ts christopher doris.com/list. Name, email, click, and you get all the goodies Now. Our guest today is a very special guest, is a very special person in my world, a dear friend that I’ve known for, over a decade who has changed my life. I, I’ve done, a lot of personal development work in my life and, our guest, her name is Manisha Kok, she introduced me to a place called the Oneness University.
[00:02:39] Chris Dorris: in Southern, India, outside of Chennai, and,and it’s changed my life of all the work that I’ve ever done that is, the most profound, and that’s a big statement. So now let me read you a little bit about mania. If you don’t know Mania Koala as one of India’s leading film actors born into the prominent KO family of Nepal.
[00:02:59] Chris Dorris: She [00:03:00] made her Bollywood debut with Sagar in 1991 before going on to establish herself. As one of the leading actresses with films such as 1942, A Love Story, a Kelly Houma, Kelly Tomb, Bombay, dil SE Company. She took a break from acting in 2012 and returned five years later with the coming of age drama.
[00:03:21] Chris Dorris: dear Maya, Netflix Lust Stories and Sanju. Well, the reason she took a break from acting, it doesn’t say anything here, is because she got diagnosed with cancer. And almost died. She was appointed the Goodwill Ambassador for the United Nations Population Fund in 1999 and again in 2015, and was evolved in the relief work following the Nepal Earthquake in 2015.
[00:03:42] Chris Dorris: She promotes causes such as women’s rights, prevention of violence against women, prevention of human trafficking, and cancer awareness. She was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. 2012 has been cancer free since 2019. This is her book. Healed how cancer gave me a new life. Isn’t that great? How [00:04:00] cancer gave me a new life?
[00:04:02] Chris Dorris: So, you know how I love mantras And the mantra, that I feel is particularly relevant here is every set of circumstances can be created from if viewed masterfully. Well, mini mania didn’t just survive from, stage four ovarian cancer, which by the way is less than 5% chance. she has capitalized, she has leveraged, she has created from, she has done the work that most people will never do, which is deep introspective, personal development and spiritual healing work, as a result of this whole experience, and now has reinvented herself in a way that is purely courageous because it is, you know, I’m not a famous person and I appreciate how much harder it would be for me if I was to write a book.
[00:04:49] Chris Dorris: About like all my vulnerabilities, and she does that, which I think is nothing sort of absolutely spectacularly beautiful, courageous, and inspiring. So I am [00:05:00] so pleased to be able to share with you my dear friend, Manisha Carla, let’s go find her and have a great conversation, shall we? Here she is. The one and only Ms.
[00:05:09] Chris Dorris: Venetia. Carla. My goodness, I’ve been waiting for this interview for so long. Thank you so much my friend, for making time for this. And I know it’s so late over there. We’re a world apart, so it took some doing to get this scheduled.
[00:05:23] Manisha Koirala: Absolutely. and it’s pleasures all mine. cii, I love, love, love talking to you.
[00:05:29] Manisha Koirala: so thank you for having me.
[00:05:31] Chris Dorris: Well, you are, see, the whole reason I do this podcast tough talks is be, and you’re such a perfect guest for the show. it’s because I, it’s a gift. It is truly, it’s a gift right. To, to people, right? And as you know, you know my history. So you know that, one of the things that’s most important to me is to inspire people to, well, not settle, right.
[00:05:54] Chris Dorris: We could have had this interview without you having had and conquered ovarian [00:06:00] cancer and still had plenty to say about not settling. But we have a lot more now to say about not just not settling, but not struggling or powering through struggle and not suffering unnecessarily. So, right. You know, the Tough Talks podcast exists to give people inspiration, right.
[00:06:16] Chris Dorris: And, and you are precisely that. So for the two people in the world that actually don’t know who you are, who might be listening to this, No, say your, like your people are listening and watching and go, wait. Did he just say people? There, there’s actually someone in the world that doesn’t know who she is.
[00:06:29] Chris Dorris: So, mania is a dear friend of mine, and Mania is, one of the most, accomplished actors from, Bollywood and globally, not just Bollywood now. So, what I wanna speak with you about today is this is your incredible. Not just the book, the story. So for those of you listening on audio and podcast version, I’m holding up her book, which is entitled, healed How Cancer Gave Me A New Life.
[00:06:57] Chris Dorris: And you’re co-written with, Neilam Kumar, who by the [00:07:00] way, I just wanna give some props to, I don’t know, Neilam, but, props to Neilam for, you know, the assistance that you got. Absolutely love that. Yeah. The story, look, this, you know, you have done, you guys have done a phenomenal job of capturing this story.
[00:07:19] Chris Dorris: So you were diagnosed with stage, well actually you were diagnosed with stage three, but you had stage four, late stage ovarian cancer, right? Only 19% of people who are given that diagnosis live. Or survive. Right. We were one of those 19%. Right. And it wasn’t without a lot of suffering and a lot of support and Right.
[00:07:43] Chris Dorris: And apparently a lot of note taking, because I tell you, you tell this story in details. I mean, I, there’s so many questions that, well, we just, we can’t get to from like, Zia. Zia, wonderful. Zia. You know, and the jacket and her say, just give it back to me when you’re done. and that [00:08:00] n the mayri healers, like, I have goosebumps.
[00:08:02] Chris Dorris: And I’m talking about these Maori healers who just so people know in case we don’t get to it. Like back in the day you were, I don’t even know why, but you had these mayi healers at your house or something and they were doing some ritual. And one of them said that we got an issue over there. She was holding her hands over your body and said, hold on, we got an issue called the other one over.
[00:08:20] Chris Dorris: And they’re like, yeah. What’d they say? They said, your ovaries are red hot. And this is long before your diagnosis, right? Yeah.
[00:08:30] Manisha Koirala: Almost six, seven months back.
[00:08:32] Chris Dorris: That’s a, that’s amazing. And that’s a topic. I don’t know if we’ll get to it, but I mean, that’s an amazing thing is like, how do these humans know?
[00:08:41] Chris Dorris: That something’s up. What did I mean? That’s like, that’s mind, body. That’s amazing stuff, but, Maybe we’ll get to that. What I was hoping we could do is, because you do such an excellent job articulating the story in the book, and it’s, most of the book it did more than half was the story of the cancer, the [00:09:00] diagnosis, all the world traveled, the healing at Sloan Kettering, the amazing doctors, all your suffering, chemo, all that.
[00:09:07] Chris Dorris: Finally getting the announcement that you are cancer free. And then the rest of the book, and this is what really hit me hard, dirt, harder. Was H how you have chosen since then to be who and how you have chosen to be. So then the rest of the book. Now of course, you know a place that you went to do some, the deepest, introspection.
[00:09:33] Chris Dorris: And deep spiritual growth. And you know what? This place matters to me. Look, I got the picture of my hair. I had to steal this weird, I stole
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[00:09:52] Chris Dorris: Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, you know, you know better than anybody, anyone, how meaningful that place is. [00:10:00] You are the one that, turned me on to, won this end of all the work I’ve ever done in my life. That continues to be the most profound of anything. So I love that you included, you were there for a long time.
[00:10:10] Chris Dorris: You went back, now you’ve been to won this tons of times, right? This was the longest day. Yes. All right. by far, right? Like months, may, June, July, August, September. So, so we’ll get to that. Cause I think that is like, you know, there’s so many gifts. Like my pledge to the audience here, I’m gonna shut up in a second.
[00:10:28] Chris Dorris: I swear to God, I’m gonna let my guests talk at some point, is that everybody gets to walk away with something concrete that they can do and you wrap the book up with precisely that, like 15 things. Nine of them for everyone. Six more specifically, for women that I also, I mean that I found perfectly useful and valuable to me as well.
[00:10:48] Chris Dorris: So we’ll get to that stuff. So can you take us through just a tiny bit of your unbelievably unusual life? And then,[00:11:00] like anos sized version of your cancer story. But then let’s dive deep on the rest, which is how you’ve chosen to be and who you’ve chosen to be, and what you recommend for people, because of your experience.
[00:11:12] Chris Dorris: How’s that sound? Sounds great. Sounds great. All right. So tell us about you.
[00:11:17] Manisha Koirala: So, Well CD that. I am, an Indian film actress and, been working for the last 30 years in, in the cinemas. And, I think, I’m a little short on hundred movies, so 90 plus movies and so stuff like that. And I’ve worked, I’ve had a fairly, an exciting good career and, but also I think I, what I’ve written in the book, and I’ve not really touched too much, of that part is about my Bollywood life and.
[00:11:52] Manisha Koirala: Maybe someday I’ll write a book. maybe not, I’ll just see. But basically, acting in [00:12:00] movies and then, well, had a troublesome personal space. Personal equations had cancer. Cancer also of the last stage. and, not great prognosis. not great this thing, but luckily it’s been like eight, nine years now and I’m cancer free and I’m healthy and I’m living and I’m, I think every day I live with a gratitude that I’m alive, that I can breathe, that I can enjoy this life.
[00:12:31] Manisha Koirala: And, yeah, I get to do great work. I still, get to act. I think life’s been very kind to me. Life’s been very kind to me, but it’s been like a really, huge rollercoaster ride. some big highs and equally big lows, so, yeah, you know,
[00:12:55] Chris Dorris: you have, okay, so I’ll accept from you that [00:13:00] you are fortunate.
[00:13:03] Chris Dorris: But I’ll not absolutely accept. You didn’t say this well, but I’m not, I wouldn’t If you did, I wouldn’t accept it. That, that is the reason for your success. No. You are someone that, in my experience, is not very, inhibited to ask for what they want. That’s true. And that’s very powerful. That’s true.
[00:13:25] Chris Dorris: You, you mentioned it many times in the book that you are confident and impatient. Yep. And that’s
[00:13:36] Manisha Koirala: there’s,
[00:13:44] Chris Dorris: you’ve learned patience. It sounds like you did. Like, you know, I mean, if you can solitude it, I’m.
[00:13:51] Manisha Koirala: I’m focused. I’m driven, I’m focused, and, I feel every human being, in fact, in first the, this [00:14:00] book is dedicated to every human being and that I feel truly that we have this potential in us, which we don’t recognize that we have.
[00:14:11] Manisha Koirala: I think everybody, can achieve their dream. So I have the feel, the willpower, the drive, the focus to go for what I want.
[00:14:21] Chris Dorris: Yes. Right. I think What was your first, what was your very first film? The very first one.
[00:14:26] Manisha Koirala: Okay. I did a Nepali film. My first ever film was a Nepali film. and that was a fluke.
[00:14:33] Manisha Koirala: and during that film, I realized that I must get into Bollywood because that is a much bigger, film industry. and I went to Mumbar. Yeah.
[00:14:46] Chris Dorris: Yeah. the first one there. What was the first, because there’s a story that I want you to tell because it’s, it’s huge. It really stood out for me.
[00:14:52] Chris Dorris: was it the first Bollywood movie? What was that one?
[00:14:57] Manisha Koirala: The Bollywood movie. the first Bollywood movie [00:15:00] was Saw Dager.
[00:15:01] Chris Dorris: Okay. That’s it. So you were, I don’t know if you were auditioning, but the guy, I don’t know if he was a director, but someone in charge had a Oh,
[00:15:08] Manisha Koirala: that’s my third film. Oh. And oh,that’s a good story because,This is, 1942, a love story where the film was being made and the director was doing everybody’s, all the top, actresses, screen tests.
[00:15:26] Manisha Koirala: Okay. And, I went for the screen test and, the director said, you’re a shit actress. And I just couldn’t take that. I said, What? No, I mean, I really love this job and Okay. Then I said,please give me one more chance and I’m gonna come back tomorrow. Honestly, cd I had no idea what I was going to do different tomorrow.
[00:15:51] Manisha Koirala: Ah, but I had four, the two or three pages with me. I went back home and I [00:16:00] put in every minute I had. Until tomorrow. To repeat,repeat, repeat. And I didn’t eat. I didn’t sleep. My mother thought I was going crazy. She was worried sick. She said, forget about this movie. It’s no big deal.
[00:16:16] Manisha Koirala: You’re a good actress. You sh you don’t have to get this movie. You know, just don’t go crazy like this. But I said, no, ma, I have to give my 200%, not 100, but 200%. and so I just went, I just took as much as I could, took all that in, and next day when I went and performed, he said, Manisha, if you were zero yesterday, you are a hundred today.
[00:16:42] Chris Dorris: So, yeah, and the rest is history, as they say. But what, you know, the thing that I love most about that story, and I think that is a real takeaway, so I wanna slow it down for folks. Is that is when you just said, I had no idea what I was gonna do differently tomorrow. Yeah. I mean, I begged for the opportunity to [00:17:00] have a do-over without knowing what the hell I was gonna do differently.
[00:17:04] Chris Dorris: That is amazing. Okay. Because now see that’s a big takeaway, right? Because that’s like, okay, I know I want this. I cannot see how I’ve already just been given some really bad feedback. Right? I mean, pretty harsh. You are a shit actor, okay? Doesn’t get a hold that, and, but then you just know, I don’t care.
[00:17:26] Chris Dorris: I want, this is me not getting what I want. I want to get what I want. I want to create this. So just gimme another chance. what are you gonna do differently? I don’t, I’ll let you know later and then go figure it out. And that’s, and that’s a confidence of another level that I think we would all benefit from.
[00:17:41] Chris Dorris: Right, because one of the things that I believe that we’ve all learned the conditioning of our past as Baghwan would say that we need to free ourselves from is needing to know how before we can declare that. Right? Need to know how or am I qualified? Am I ready to say, no, I want this. Let’s go for it and then we’ll figure it out.
[00:17:58] Chris Dorris: And you do. So [00:18:00] that’s cool. I love that story. You, there’s another story that stood out for me that I thought was fascinating, but it was a small one. but not small. Small because it didn’t take up a lot of the pages, but huge to me, which is when after your surgery you had all these staples, they cut you open.
[00:18:20] Chris Dorris: Right? And I mean, wide open, you know, because the cancer was all over the place. Your doctor, chi right? Did like, Heavenly work. Your doctor sounds so amazing. I would like to meet them. They just sound like a bunch of angels and I guess that’s why Sloane Kettering is Sloane Kettering. So, you were having your staples removed and you were freaking out.
[00:18:45] Chris Dorris: I mean, you’ve been through so much shit anyway. So now this, you’re like, ow, ow. Right? and the nurse who is silent, what can you tell the story?
[00:18:53] Manisha Koirala: Yeah, I mean, that’s an amazing incident. First of all, you know, [00:19:00] to, I’m saying it lightly, but to see myself, you know, after when I could go into the bathroom and to take shower or to, you know, wipe myself off.
[00:19:12] Manisha Koirala: And for the first time when I saw myself tabled, you know, all the way, I just, I’ve almost going to. Fall down. I just couldn’t visualize. See, I have never seen something like that ever in my life. Wow. And I was so scared. Anyways, after I got over the shock, the time had come for the nurses to clip it off.
[00:19:36] Manisha Koirala: I. I’m not used to that. I’ve, you know, never had major surgeries, so I really had no idea. Yeah. So she was going on clip. And then I, with a, each clip I was shivering and I was, you know, I was like, really quivering and shivering and, making sounds. and she looked at me and she [00:20:00] said, that’s, Should, that should be the least of your worry.
[00:20:05] Manisha Koirala: And what is inside your stomach is more worrisome than this. She didn’t
[00:20:12] Chris Dorris: say, okay, so she had been silent. I have this, I marked this, I put a lot, I’ve made some notes here.
[00:20:21] Chris Dorris: So each time you say, each time she sniffed with her steel pinchers, I yelped loudly. She had not spoken until then, but now she did. She stopped. Mid SNP looked me straight in the eye. Her blue ones locking with my brown ones and asked, is it really hurting? Are you just scared?
[00:20:41] Manisha Koirala: Ah, sorry. yeah.
[00:20:43] Manisha Koirala: That, yes. Sorry. Sorry. Yes. And she, yeah. and that kind of compelled me to actually pause. Yeah. Yeah. and is it really hurting me or I’m just [00:21:00] scared. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was, it was the fear you were, because of the sound cause of the visual. You know, I assumed it must be painting me.
[00:21:11] Manisha Koirala: And when she looked at me when she said that, is it really hurting? And I said, actually
[00:21:21] Chris Dorris: no.
[00:21:25] Manisha Koirala: Now the story previously, which I told you was act, there were holes in my stomach. Yes. And I, and that, you know, I used to be really scared of, and I used to say, will it heal? Blah, blah, blah. and then the nurse kind of turned around and said, you know, you, you shouldn’t be worried about these small little things.
[00:21:42] Manisha Koirala: You have a bigger problem inside. So,
[00:21:47] Chris Dorris: yeah. Well, that doesn’t sound very encouraging. Am I understanding that correctly?
[00:21:52] Manisha Koirala: No. You know, the thing is they’re, they would, they’re trained to be realistic. and [00:22:00] train the patient to focus on the right thing rather than I see, you know, just because it’s such a, that phase, every human being is lost.
[00:22:10] Manisha Koirala: And I think people who know, like doctors and nurses who treat patient day in and day out, they kindly, I mean, help the patient to navigate, you know, So I wouldn’t mind that, I wouldn’t mind that because I think she was trying to tell me, be realistic, you know?
[00:22:32] Chris Dorris: Yeah. So you,you beat it, but it wasn’t straight away.
[00:22:35] Chris Dorris: It wasn’t like your surgery’s over and you’re fine. It took right, it took what, two years really before you? No.
[00:22:45] Manisha Koirala: normally the thing is, in cancer, and especially late stage cancer, apparently for three years, there are 90% of chances that it comes back. Oh, wow. And, so, you know, I didn’t know this, so I, [00:23:00] when I was cancer free, I, you know, I was super happy, blah, blah, blah.
[00:23:04] Manisha Koirala: And, when I went to Dr. Chi and he said,doc, how long, so will I be cured? One day he said he really looked at me and he wasn’t sure, you know, what to say to me. Yeah. And, you know, so I said, okay, how, after how many years normally in, in, early cancers, five years, if you’re cancer free, you’re considered cancer, you know, cured.
[00:23:28] Manisha Koirala: So I said, okay. After five years, he said, look, Manisha, first of all, Three years, there are, chances of 90% chances of it to come back. And then because you’ve had late stage cancer,five years is not something, it, it’s, it doesn’t work for you. I said, okay. Then how long, like six years, seven years?
[00:23:51] Manisha Koirala: And I, he kept on looking at me. I said, fuck 10 years. He saw, he’s laughed out. He said, you know, yeah. [00:24:00] I think by 10 years you, you could be considered. so he didn’t believe that I was driving him to say that I’m Doc, I’m gonna get cured. You know, no matter how long it’s gonna take. Yeah. I’ll be cured and you watch me.
[00:24:14] Manisha Koirala: I’ll be So, it’s. he just laughed and he couldn’t believe this crazy patient of his,
[00:24:23] Chris Dorris: maybe he believed more, but I mean, if I was a doctor, I’d be careful about that too. But, I certainly would if I was a doctor to inspire hope in the most effective way that I could. But you maybe didn’t need that as much as sometimes you say in the book.
[00:24:35] Chris Dorris: Cause you’re one of the most confident people I’ve ever, known. Now you’ve conquered it. you have al, you al you also studied the hell out of your condition, out of cancer in general, but health and wellness and you have really made some profound lifestyle changes. Right. I understand you are not a physician.
[00:24:53] Chris Dorris: But you can make the argument that if you’re one of 19% that beats this, then you kind of are a healer. Those are [00:25:00] my words, not yours. Right. Okay. But,what are a couple things? Well, no, not a couple because actually there’s mine. There’s, and I’ll go right to the page, you know, just some of the things, and I’m not asking you to quote yourself from the book.
[00:25:15] Chris Dorris: I, I can read it all right here. But, what are some things that you’ve learned? Like, all right, let’s just, let’s go with this for first immunity. What are some things you’ve learned that we should all be doing or at least conscious of in order to boost our immune systems?
[00:25:33] Manisha Koirala: So basically,there’re there, what I have understood, about health, is that, our bodies are not just a physical body.
[00:25:43] Manisha Koirala: It’s emotional, mental, and physical and of course spiritual. So it’s. you know, all these aspect of our being is important. It’s, it needs to be in balance and any of it,[00:26:00] goes off the mark, off the balance. it’s bound to show it in the physical form. So, some people can go through lot of things and I mean, and they, if they’re strong and in the centered, you know, nothing would happen to them, you know?
[00:26:17] Manisha Koirala: So, you know what?
[00:26:20] Chris Dorris: I’ve under go. I’m sorry. You have, go. Go.
[00:26:23] Manisha Koirala: it’s, Of course, like if a physical body is important, so you need to eat right, you need to, you know, hydrate, you need to sleep well, blah, blah, exercise and all that. But emotional health, is equally important and your mental health is equally important.
[00:26:43] Manisha Koirala: and what I’ve also understood is in. like in spirituality, in, in spiritual worlds. I pray every night now, you know, and I went in the book there is that I went to ES university and really needed to get some anchoring [00:27:00] and emotional, spiritual in anchoring. And I got that and I. Move with that.
[00:27:06] Manisha Koirala: Now, I don’t go to Oneness anymore, but the teaching is with me still. So, and one can find that in whichever form one doesn’t have to go to a spiritual school, but you figure out something, that you connect to, more than yourself, you know?
[00:27:28] Chris Dorris: So in the chapter titled Chapter 19, cancer as My Gift Look, the quotes you’ve shown are great, by the way, to start all the chapters.
[00:27:37] Chris Dorris: I love that. so you’ve got nine suggestions here of, some big lessons that, that you learned along the way. And, is this, you know, let’s back it up a step. I want to ask you about that, but I, but you mentioned one this, and I don’t, I mean, just in the beginning of the interview, I just referenced it real quickly, but for people that don’t know what that [00:28:00] place is,what is this place we’re referring to as one?
[00:28:02] Chris Dorris: This where you went, having gone many times before. I was there once. And had a life altering experience. I promise. It’s true. That was, I don’t even know how many years. It’s over a decade and I promise that it is true. I’ve told you this before and it’s still true and I anticipated it will remain true forever.
[00:28:18] Chris Dorris: There’s not a day that goes by where I am not conscious of something I learned in that, and it was only one week experience that I had there, so. So can you tell us about won this university and why did you go from May through May, June, July, August and September?
[00:28:37] Manisha Koirala: Yeah, it’s basically, I realized at that particular time that, there were certain aspect of me, which still wasn’t corrected or which still wasn’t, really healthy for my being.
[00:28:50] Manisha Koirala: So, I went that to, you know, understand, dig deep, understand, and get something out of the situation. And I [00:29:00] decided to just stay on. And I said, okay, I’m gonna take as long as it takes, you know, I don’t know how long, six months, one year, two years I was ready, but I needed to get healed. I just could not, live in ignorance anymore, you know?
[00:29:15] Manisha Koirala: I mean, I just couldn’t do, damage to myself or live,with that. So I went. And, and this time, because I actually had no other thing in my, in agenda, but to really live consciously, be conscious human being and choose wisely and don’t get, be a victim of a situation rather than see if there is some programming, which is really not healthy.
[00:29:49] Manisha Koirala: and work on that. And, so that, that was the whole process for me.
[00:29:53] Chris Dorris: that, that part I’m looking for it. I know I’ve marked it, but I, what the hell good is having 50 pieces of post-its [00:30:00] in here where you don’t know what they mean. Cause I didn’t label them all. I got excited post its in there.
[00:30:05] Chris Dorris: That’s a good page. That’s a good page. but in all seriousness, what really moved me reading this book, Towards the end is when you were talking about like, why do I need to go to one this? Why is it that I’m even going, the intention behind you just touched on it and you were taking the hard look inside.
[00:30:23] Chris Dorris: Yes. That most people probably never do like, like the no bullshit. What, how am I showing who ha am I being. And this is, so I was reading this and I couldn’t, I was in, you know, when you get in rapture and you forget that you’re reading and you’re in it, you know, and then time just goes and you don’t know because you’re so engulfed.
[00:30:46] Chris Dorris: what I was experiencing was your willingness, your, the courage that you demonstrated to be totally vulnerable and transparent. A as, [00:31:00] as like a recognized famous person. That’s a lot of courage. So I want to, I wanna point that out and acknowledge you. Big time. Big time. Because there’s, here’s a difference between somebody, you know, like me, who nobody in the world knows of doing the hard work.
[00:31:16] Chris Dorris: Well, that’s solitary. Here you are going, here I am. Yeah. Here’s me, and I’m writing about it and I’m sharing it proudly. So my favorite of all your performances?
[00:31:35] Manisha Koirala: Well, so, I needed to be honest and authentic for my sake as well, because, I wanted to live, I, this was a new me and I really,it. It’s something that I wanted to honor my living, and for that I needed to be authentic.
[00:31:58] Chris Dorris: Can you, give us little snippets [00:32:00] here right? as we wrap up, as we get closer, wrapping up here’s some of the things that, like the gifts. Right? The gifts, and that’s what this all is healed, how cancer gave me a new life. Okay. Tell us about, and we don’t need to wax on forever about these things, but you just listed like nine things that are for all people that obviously stood out for you, in as learning from the process.
[00:32:20] Chris Dorris: Learning from the process and doing the work that it takes. You did, and you did the work live mindfully in the here and now. Okay. So what does that mean? I, a lot of people yeah, I hear that. What’s that mean?
[00:32:32] Manisha Koirala: Basically it’s just being present and, you know, I’m a human being and so is everybody, and we kind of tend to go into our heads and stuff like that.
[00:32:44] Manisha Koirala: But if we are present, if we are aware about, you know, a lot of our problems are actually here. not in actuality.[00:33:00]
[00:33:00] Chris Dorris: Lovely. No,
[00:33:06] Chris Dorris: I’m responding. I’m responding to the pain that I was anticipating. So I could go seriously, and you go, yeah. You know, no,
[00:33:22] Chris Dorris: you know, gratitude, you know, I’m big on like high grade states and emotions, and you talk about the attitude of gratitude, and that’s one of my favorite ones. Right? So, why is that relative or relevant rather, in your experience here? I
[00:33:33] Manisha Koirala: feel whatever you give attention to, it multiplies and we tend to complain a lot.
[00:33:40] Manisha Koirala: We tend to, you know, it’s a such a weird sense of getting security by complaining so that if that gets corrected, my life will be perfect. and that’s why we complain. and we are, we are fooling ourself by trying to make our lives perfect by complaining about things that is not [00:34:00] working. But we actually start looking at things which is working for us.
[00:34:04] Manisha Koirala: We,
[00:34:08] Manisha Koirala: it’s just a new world. It’s you know, it just click kid, oh, that’s working for me. That’s working for me. this is gorgeous. and. This whole life is magical. It’s beautiful. it’s so many things that is right in our life and maybe one thing that it doesn’t work. we pick that up and we complain about that.
[00:34:31] Manisha Koirala: So it’s having a new eye to look at life.
[00:34:36] Chris Dorris: Well, that’s powerful. what we give, what we, what is it? What you think about your brain, about right. Where energy flows, where attention goes, energy flows, what you think about, you bring about all that. do you know that I’m a big fan of Osho? Yeah, I know.
[00:34:51] Chris Dorris: Okay. His was the fir, the mustard seed, but this is back when he was, had a longer name. A Raj, was the [00:35:00] first spiritual book I ever was given. And, and you mentioned something that actually is from him. I learned it from him and I’d love for you to comment on it and then we’ll wrap it up cause I know it’s late as hell over there.
[00:35:12] Chris Dorris: and it’s the distinction between loneliness and aloneness. Can you talk to that?
[00:35:22] Manisha Koirala: That is a big one for me. Yeah. Because, you know, I, used to feel lonely a lot because I, you know, I grew up in a joint family, not much, that parental, attention. and then I was working and living in Mumbai alone.
[00:35:45] Manisha Koirala: and so I guess, a loneliness was haunting me and I was like a shadow, you know, and I used to feel trapped with that and to get out of that, you know, I, I did, you know, what [00:36:00] the human beings tend to do and, that would. Multiply my loneliness. But you know, the whole, this is fine line, you know, and it’s again in oneness.
[00:36:13] Manisha Koirala: and having company like yourself, I also realize, you know, aloneness all nest. Yes. So good. Yeah. I remember you, yeah, you are big teacher, cd You’ve taught me many things and. And thank you for that. You know, beautiful. So many times, you know? great. whenever I’m in trouble, I call you and I love it.
[00:36:37] Manisha Koirala: Thank you. I love that. That’s fine. Thank you for being
[00:36:40] Chris Dorris: there, you know, and I always love being know it. So, yeah, OSHA, said, loneliness is the absence of the other. Aloneness is the presence of one’s self. And you, my friend, have been doing the amazing work of, reconnecting with cell. and acknowledging You even talk, you even dropped some quantum physics in here.
[00:36:59] Chris Dorris: you [00:37:00] went there talking about interconnectedness of all things. I’m like, you get
[00:37:03] Manisha Koirala: it?
[00:37:07] Chris Dorris: All right, we’re gonna wrap it up. This has been amazing. What’s next? what can we expect to see from the Great mania? Huh?
[00:37:14] Manisha Koirala: I, you know, whatever, you know, life is, yeah, it’s open. I’ll be doing more movies. there’ll be more books for sure. And today I’m totally kicked about, probably I need to push my, film, which I want to write in direct, also, very nice and so on and so forth.
[00:37:34] Manisha Koirala: Yeah. And,
[00:37:35] Chris Dorris: life is great. Well, thank you for you. Thank you for the inspiration. you know, f thank you from the world. I will be so bold as to speak for all of us since we’re all in connected. Anyway, thank you for demonstrating the courage to, create,to use boldness and courage through tragedy to come out, happy and healthier on the other side.
[00:37:54] Chris Dorris: Then to follow it up and do the work. To continue to leverage that suffering into [00:38:00] growth.
[00:38:02] Manisha Koirala: Thank you. Thank you so much,
[00:38:06] Chris Dorris: and thank you for blessing my tough talks tribe with your presence. Appreciate you.
[00:38:13] Manisha Koirala: Thanks. Thanks.
[00:38:15] Chris Dorris: Well thank you my friend. Manish, if you watch this, I really appreciate the words. That you, well, everything that you just shared with everyone, and I personally appreciate the, especially kind words there, towards me at the end.
[00:38:28] Chris Dorris: It’s very gracious of you, and I appreciate you tremendously and I’m, I really appreciate you sharing your experience, and your, again, your vulnerability, your courage. To be transparent, your courage to do the work, first of all, to grow from such an event to the courage, to take a, an honest inward look and to take an inventory of how you are showing up in this life.
[00:38:55] Chris Dorris: And then to go do the deep healing work to, upgrade the ways that you
[00:39:00] weren’t particularly fond of. And then to share it with the world as a famous person takes courage. Way to go. All right, folks. thanks for tuning in. Until next time, great miracles.
