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[00:00:00] Chris Dorris: Most of us never learned how to train our brains, which is why most of us needlessly, settle, struggle, and worse suffer. My name is Chris Doris and I wanna make brain training mainstream. This is my series, tough Talks, conversations on Mental Toughness. I’m interviewing bad asses from all walks of life on what mental toughness means to them and their unique approaches to strengthening their minds.
[00:00:28] Chris Dorris: Hey everyone. Welcome back to Tough Talks, conversations on mental toughness and, easily. One of the most important and profound applications of mental toughness or influences, or byproducts of mental toughness is health and wellness. The mind body relationship, which we are, which science is having us understand on a much more, a much deeper level as time goes by.
[00:00:52] Chris Dorris: And thank God for that. Science is showing us that the power of their mind is, has been and continues to be highly [00:01:00] under, misunderstood, underappreciated and underutilized utilized. So, you know, as a coach, when I ask people, what does, ideal life look like for you? What does your dream life look like 100% of the time?
[00:01:15] Chris Dorris: Of course people include in the response Optimum health. So I am super jacked today to be able to, I’m actually bragging about this, that, that we landed at an amazing badass guest. A movie came out this last year that I watched, and it’s a documentary entitled Heal, and it’s all about the mind body connection.
[00:01:42] Chris Dorris: And everything that I just mentioned, there are 17 featured experts from all different disciplines who are all brilliant geniuses. The likes of Michael Bernard Beckwith, Joan Boko, Greg Braden, Deepak Chopra, Dr. Joe Dispenza, Bruce Lipton, even [00:02:00] Marion Williamson. I mean, and the list goes on. these people are all contributors in this amazing documentary.
[00:02:04] Chris Dorris: I have watched the movie four times, studied it this week for about six hours. I’m not exaggerating. Took copious notes and, and I have to say I am, I feel better and smarter. I, and I feel like this is going to, it already has profoundly influenced the way that I think and the way that I coach and the way that I write and the content of course that I provide.
[00:02:30] Chris Dorris: So I am super jacked to say that I have the writer. Director and producer of the Documentary Heel with us today as a guest, I was absolutely determined to get her on. As soon as I saw the movie, I knew we have to have, Kelly Newnan Gors as a guest. And I’m happy to say it didn’t take as much effort as I anticipated I was going.
[00:02:52] Chris Dorris: I was fully prepared to stalk her through Instagram. I think I only got to like, semi stalk status. She responded actually [00:03:00] quite rapidly after only maybe 48 messages. Now I’m kidding. It’s maybe like three. And with unbelievable enthusiasm, she just said, hell yeah, I’d love to be a guest on your show, which warms my heart.
[00:03:10] Chris Dorris: So, without further ado, folks, let me introduce you. This is gonna be a doozy, so, strap yourself in. This is gonna be a good one. I suspect it’s gonna be a little longer than average because we got a lot to talk about. please, let’s welcome Kelly Newnan Gors. So, Kelly Noonan. Gors, thank you so very much for showing up today and making time to be a guest on Tough Talks.
[00:03:36] Kelly Noonan: I am honored to be here.
[00:03:37] Chris Dorris: Thank you. Yeah. Well, that’s music to my ears because, as you may or may not have noticed, I was becoming a little bit pey, pey, whatever the word is, and I wouldn’t have relented, so thank you. I love it. I love it because as I mentioned it to you in one of the thousand messages that I sent you on Instagram and who knows what other mediums, hill is one of my favorite movies of all time, [00:04:00] and it’s one of my top three, and I’ll tell you why it’s not, it’s a documentary, right.
[00:04:05] Chris Dorris: And, it’s, it had me weep oh, several times for different reasons. And that’s one of the metrics that I use to discern how badass a film is. You know, if it really touches me. Right. And that now I’ve never been really sick. I mean, the sickest I ever was, I broke my leg outta compound fracture and it gave me, I guess I did almost kind of die.
[00:04:32] Chris Dorris: it gave me a fatty embolism, which gave me pneumonia. But that was only like, for a few days. It was because of an acute, you know, event. Right. it’s a broken bone, but that’s it. I never, I was, I’d never had a chronic illness. but yet my whole life has been dedicated to helping people have amazing lives.
[00:04:50] Chris Dorris: You know? and this is about that. More specific. Your movie is about having an amazing life by being healthy. and, so anyway, I, you know, so thank you [00:05:00] for putting all the effort. I can’t even imagine the qual, the amount of effort, the quantity and quality of effort,that went into creating a film that is not only so powerful and important for us these days, but also has 17 freaking amazing experts as guests and speakers as participants.
[00:05:16] Chris Dorris: You’re a badass. Oh my God, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. You’re probably gonna say just get used to me hearing that, to hearing me say that. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, thank you because, as I mentioned to you, one of our conversations prior to this that, this, your work has become mandatory viewing, studying content for my, coaching clients.
[00:05:39] Chris Dorris: And they don’t need to be sick for that. I mean, that’s not right. Your film isn’t about, you know, just, healing sickness. It’s also about, it’s about being, well, so. And before I put any more words in your mouth, let me start asking you one of the million. I studied your movie. Like I’ve never studied a movie before.
[00:05:57] Chris Dorris: I’m telling you right now, I have so many [00:06:00] pages and pages. I went through legal pads. I have just 17 questions for you, one for each of your guests. That’s not the way it really worked out, but I mean, I geeked out on your work. I love it. I geeked out hardcore. So here, let’s get to the questions.
[00:06:18] Chris Dorris: Alright, so of all the things, Kelly, that you could do with your life, of all the ways that you could spend your miraculous life, why did you choose to do this?
[00:06:30] Kelly Noonan: That’s great question. yeah, you know, I don’t know. I,
[00:06:34] Chris Dorris: okay. Moving along,
[00:06:37] Kelly Noonan: moving on. You know, like, kind of like you said, like I’ve never, you would assume or think or, you know, make a pretty fair assumption that I went through something heavy or tragic myself, whether it was a personal illness or losing someone to something tragic.
[00:06:54] Kelly Noonan: and that just wasn’t the case. It would be an easy answer if it was. I think, you know, like [00:07:00] your passion with mental toughness and the power of the mind and attitude, I share that same passion. And I just, over the course of the last, I’ve lost track of time now because the movie took two years to do, but, 10 years or so.
[00:07:14] Kelly Noonan: Yeah, like 2007, 2008. So 10, 11 years. Really passionate about the power of the mind and how, you know, we are kind of co-creators with life and, you know, not only for law of attraction and abundance and. Creating and manifesting, but also how that shows up physically in you. And, so just, I felt this, you know, I would learn, I would read these books that I came upon, and.
[00:07:42] Kelly Noonan: And these concepts would come up. Like for one of the biggest books that I read that was just like a aha moment, was Bruce Lipton’s book, the Biology of
[00:07:49] Chris Dorris: Belief. I love Uncle Bruce. I call him Uncle Bruce. I don’t know
[00:07:52] Kelly Noonan: Uncle Bruce. He’s the greatest. He’s so fun to work with. Oh my gosh.
[00:07:56] Chris Dorris: just tell people who are watching this is that book.
[00:07:59] Chris Dorris: Yes. [00:08:00] One of the most amazing books ever written.
[00:08:02] Kelly Noonan: It really is. so in there, you know, he talks about epigenetics and how we are, you know, our thoughts, beliefs and emotions. our perception about life that kind of informs which genes, are turned off or turned on. So when I learned that, I was like, oh my gosh, we’re not victims of our d n a, how we’ve been conditioned for the last however many hundreds of years that we have our genetics.
[00:08:27] Kelly Noonan: And we’re just kind of at the mercy of this code. We were passed down from our parents. And, you know, along those same lines, like I remember being a teenager and seeing. These patterns that my parents had and going, I wanna be really conscious of that so I re don’t repeat the patterns that I’m not liking.
[00:08:48] Kelly Noonan: and changing them. So I think my whole life I’ve just like wanted to be, just figuring out ways how to have an awesome life, and also how to kind of consciously live [00:09:00] that life and not be just another. You know, just repeating the patterns of the, of your right pattern of your parents. Right.
[00:09:09] Kelly Noonan: so, and I have great parents, but you know, there’s certain behaviors that they learned from their environment growing up. And there’s certain,
[00:09:16] Chris Dorris: we’re not slamming, we’re not slamming any parents, but we get it.
[00:09:20] Kelly Noonan: We get it. So anyways, I guess, I guess the long story short is I just, I’m really passionate about it and I would, and I just, this calling in my heart, to people kind of started coming to me going, why are you so happy?
[00:09:33] Kelly Noonan: How, you know, how are you so healthy? Like, Coming to me for advice. And I, and it was all of these experts that I put in the film, you know, Rather than sit there and talk about all of the details with individual friends, I’m like, lemme just make a movie, put ’em all in there and teach this really empowering lesson that empowered my life.
[00:09:52] Kelly Noonan: you know,
[00:09:54] Chris Dorris: these 17 people are powerhouses. Like, did you know them before this or did you just work your [00:10:00] ass off at getting in touch with him and convincing them to say yes? Yeah,
[00:10:03] Kelly Noonan: again, it was kind of like a calling. I went to Agape in LA which, Michael Beck. Bernard Beckwith. Yep. Yep. He’s the, pastor.
[00:10:11] Kelly Noonan: The reverend. Yeah. And, so I was going to Agape regularly at the time. 2007. Where is that? It was in Culver City, and they’re, now they’re in Beverly Hills. Okay. they’re searching for a new permanent location. Okay. and I would take classes from Michael and I was just like really empowered by his teachings and, you know, he was really, he really taught me like.
[00:10:32] Kelly Noonan: You know, pay attention to that ca like that passion in your heart. Cause that’s God’s way of telling you that’s what you’re supposed to be doing. You know what I mean? So I started kind of paying attention in my life. I grew up an actor. I grew up in Southern California and I’ve been acting on and off my whole life.
[00:10:48] Kelly Noonan: So I, and I was, you know, I was a working actor, but I started like paying attention to, you know, I would light up much more talking about all [00:11:00] the things I was learning at Agape and things, you know, like in Bruce Lipton’s books and this like Power of the Mind. And I would light up talking about it.
[00:11:07] Kelly Noonan: So I started paying attention to that much. I’d light up much more than I would talking about a job I was doing, or I’d book a job and then I’d go to set and I’d be like, The passion was waning in the act in with acting. And so I started, but I have this background in film, so that’s what I knew, that was my experience, so,
[00:11:27] Chris Dorris: wow.
[00:11:28] Chris Dorris: I’m really glad for that.
[00:11:29] Kelly Noonan: Yes. Then I felt, you know, film is the powerful medium that I was familiar with. But
[00:11:34] Chris Dorris: like, did you know prior to the documentary, did you know Deepak?
[00:11:39] Kelly Noonan: No, I had a, did you know Maria Williamson? I didn’t. I’d love theses
[00:11:42] Chris Dorris: only two of the biggest names on the planet. Right. in, in this genre or consciousness or spirituality or personal development.
[00:11:50] Chris Dorris: You, yeah. You didn’t, Dr. Joe. No, Greg Braden, are you kidding me?
[00:11:55] Kelly Noonan: No, I didn’t know any of these people. I just,
[00:11:57] Chris Dorris: I like, I’ve got a whole new set of [00:12:00] questions for you offline.
[00:12:02] Kelly Noonan: So I, so basically, you know, once I, Michael, kind of enur, Reverend Michael encouraged me to follow that passion. And once you are aligned with that passion, that kind of the universe conspires, I love that to make it happen.
[00:12:16] Kelly Noonan: That’s, and that was exactly,
[00:12:17] Chris Dorris: that’s a big lesson. That’s, let’s slow that down my experience. Yeah, let’s slow that down for people that are watching, listening. Can you say that over? Sure. Because here I am, I’m like, you know, piping out hard cause like, oh my God, you got these amazing people that I love so much.
[00:12:29] Chris Dorris: Right. And I’m putting ’em up on a pedestal, which I’m totally down with. Cause I love these people. Same. You seem all affected my life. And you’re going Yeah. Yeah. And you’re kind of playing it down, which I appreciate. And that’s no disrespect to them that’s you saying, well, here’s the deal, here’s the mechanic.
[00:12:43] Chris Dorris: So could you repeat what you said? Sure. About what? William? Okay.
[00:12:47] Kelly Noonan: So once you kind of become conscious of what lights you up, that passion in your heart Yeah, follow that, the universe conspires to make it happen for you. You know what that Remi
[00:12:58] Chris Dorris: have you read the book?[00:13:00] the Alchemist? Oh, yeah. Okay.
[00:13:02] Chris Dorris: One of the best. That’s what you’re talking right now. That’s, yeah, that’s the stuff.
[00:13:06] Kelly Noonan: And it’s almost like a signpost. It’s like when you feel that energy when you’re talking about something and you can talk about it for hours and you’re energized by the topic, like that’s a sign that’s what you should be doing with your life.
[00:13:20] Chris Dorris: So, so Deepak, one of my favorite and most influential teachers in history, Deepak Chopra. I love his language. he always used such wild language, but he says in, inherent within your desires of the mechanics for their own fulfillment. Love, right? Yeah. and that sounds like what you’re talking about right now.
[00:13:37] Chris Dorris: So, you know, the documentary is 105 minutes long, right? About, yep. Like an hour and 45 minutes long. It took me, so I’ve watched it three or four times. I didn’t, this last time, this week. I didn’t watch it. I examined it, right? And it probably took me five or six hours to, to get, to start to finish, you know, with all the rewinding and note taking and all that.
[00:13:57] Chris Dorris: and I’m telling you that’s how important it is to me. but I got a tough [00:14:00] one for you. Maybe it’s not so tough, because maybe, so let’s make this a two-part question. First part is a yes or no answer, right? And, and then, and if the answer is yes, then I’ll just say, okay. Then the second question is, okay, well what is that?
[00:14:13] Chris Dorris: And if it’s a no, then it’ll still be the same question. What is it? And it’s this. the first part is yes or no. Have you ever super summarized the main message of this documentary into one sentence? Have you ever done that? I’ve tried.
[00:14:30] Kelly Noonan: I’ve tried. So I guess it’s a yes. Okay.
[00:14:32] Chris Dorris: So, okay. So what is it?
[00:14:36] Kelly Noonan: well it’s funny cuz we’re doing the book version of the film, and so it’s you kind of have to do that for the subtitle, right?
[00:14:42] Kelly Noonan: oh, right
[00:14:42] Chris Dorris: on. Oh, that’s perfect. Oh, well. So, but
[00:14:45] Kelly Noonan: we haven’t finalized yet. I’m serving you right now. Yeah, exactly. so it’s something about, you know, how our thoughts, beliefs, and emotions affect our health and how to activate [00:15:00] the innate or the powerful healer within,
[00:15:03] Chris Dorris: boom. Something like that. Yeah, that works.
[00:15:08] Chris Dorris: I love that. The healer within, so that’s something that was referenced a multitude of times throughout the course of the documentary, like the inner pharmacy, the healer, the I cannot remember which, which of the experts said what, but someone said the Oh. It was Dr. Joe. He said, it’s the energy that ga, it’s somewhere in this pile of 60 pages of notes.
[00:15:34] Chris Dorris: Oh. It was Dr. Joe, went, oh, yeah. He was talking about his accident, which I never knew about. I never knew that he was a tri, I didn’t know he was a triathlete and I didn’t know he got smoked in on his bike by a car. And compressed six vertebrae and was supposed to have this radical Harrington rod surgery.
[00:15:50] Chris Dorris: Okay. Here is the power that made the body heals the body. And it goes on to say like, you know, the power, the spirit or whatever the energy right. That is pumping our blood. Right. So having a [00:16:00] heartbeat that’s digesting our food, right? is the power that heals us. is the most effective healer in the universe.
[00:16:07] Chris Dorris: Right. Okay. That’s beautiful. So now you know, you, there’s so many different subjects in that you address that I didn’t, I, this is not a thorough, list. I started this way too late in the game to have it be, inclusive. But I mean, there you touch on subjects, you guys touch on subjects like quantum physics and within that it’s like entanglement, which is something I hope that we can talk about at some point during our conversation today.
[00:16:29] Chris Dorris: Cause that’s fascinating too and important as hell to me, which is the connectedness, the one that’s the sameness, the us, right? Yes. Which, which some argue the illusion, all of human suffering arises from the illusion of the separate self. So that’s what this stuff is about. And that’s science that’s not fof.
[00:16:44] Chris Dorris: Yes. Right. And then there’s, now there’s faith healing, which is fast. Some fascinating stuff. There’s some freaky stuff in your movie, some stuff that I know people. Look, you got people in your movie who call themselves divine conduits. I know who refer themselves. I love this [00:17:00] neuro acoustic wizard.
[00:17:02] Chris Dorris: I know wizard. I love it. How great is it? But, then there’s epigenetics, aur, vita neuro acoustics. we talk a lot about big pharma, which I have a big beef with of as everyone should, generally speaking. But then there’s a few other techniques that you reference that I use, daily in my life and almost daily in my coaching and speaking writing.
[00:17:22] Chris Dorris: and I would like to hear a little bit from you on both of them. And the first one is visualization, and the second one is meditation. Okay. All right. So, so, you know, visualization, I, so speaking of Herbert Benson, right? did we talk about him yet? No. He, you’re referenced, he’s referenced in your movie, I can’t remember the name of the amazing woman who referenced she, she referred to him as, one of her mentors.
[00:17:46] Chris Dorris: Joan. Yeah. Joan Boon as Joan Brcko. Okay. Right on. Perfect. So, yeah, so I, this is also, I tell me, I didn’t geek out on this guy. Yeah. I mean, you can barely, there’s straws in here, straw wrappers, you know, because, and he, [00:18:00] what he really, he doesn’t talk a lot about visualization, he talks about belief. Right? but by, as a byproduct of our belief, we’re visualizing things. Whatever I’m believing, I’m seeing in the mind’s eye. Right. So he references all these amazing, experiments, right? Oh, cool. that all in involve deception, which all good research does in order to promote a belief system.
[00:18:21] Chris Dorris: And that’s what’s being monitored, the effect of the belief system. Right? but in, in between the belief and the result is what’s going on in your mind. Alright. And allow that to visualize this. So in some experiments, women who are suffering from morning sickness are visualizing wellness.
[00:18:37] Chris Dorris: They’re given not even a placebo, there’s an experiment where they administered, they didn’t give them placebo, they gave them syrup of icac. Right. You familiar with that one? Yeah. that’s a puke poison. Right? Great. So not only did they, because of their beliefs, the, and then thus their imagery, what they’re imagining not on purpose, they just, they were influenced to do that.
[00:18:59] Chris Dorris: They were expecting, [00:19:00] they were fully expecting because of the influence that he had over their beliefs that this pill, that agism is gonna have them be symptom free. So not only did they get rid of the symptoms they had in the first place, they also nullified the accident as powerful, vomit inducing drug, which is amazing to me.
[00:19:14] Chris Dorris: it’s mind blowing. I know. I love it. Talk to me about your experience with imagery and what you learned and what you just whatever.
[00:19:21] Kelly Noonan: Yeah. So, you know, visualization, like, there’s so many dimensions to it. I feel like using your imagination and visualizing, an outcome. our minds are kind of hi hardwired for survival.
[00:19:33] Kelly Noonan: which means we tend to look for in our environment, Kind of the threats or the worst case scenario. And so we’re kind of, that’s the easy path for our neurology is the worst case scenario. the threat. Wow, that’s so interesting.
[00:19:48] Chris Dorris: And, that, that has me feel a little bit archaic.
[00:19:50] Chris Dorris: Like a little cave
[00:19:50] Kelly Noonan: Manny. We are a little cave Manny. Still a little bit cave Manny. So, which is why we’re stressed. So, you know, because our mind a automatically like, wants to go to the worst case scenario. [00:20:00] What happens is then we obsess over the worst case scenario and we’re just visualizing that over and over in our mind and we’re stressed out and we’re releasing stress chemistry in our bodies.
[00:20:08] Kelly Noonan: Huh. And so what Jodi Spenda and her Benson and all of these other people, you know, talk about the placebo effect and. you know, but Joe Dispenza talks about it too, and it’s very, it’s quantum physics. He says, you know, rather than the old Newtonian physics of cause and effect, quantum physics, says that, you know, we can cause an effect.
[00:20:32] Kelly Noonan: And we do that with our minds. I love that in our heart. So it’s, you know, rather than just visualizing with our mind, Joe adds in the extra element of feeling the elevated emotions of, you know, say for him, he used it when he was healing his spine, you know, and he’s sitting there paralyzed, essentially, and he had nothing else to do, but use his mind.
[00:20:55] Kelly Noonan: Right.
[00:20:56] Chris Dorris: And so started right when he did a ton of it Right. He said he’d like three hours a day for six [00:21:00] weeks. Yeah. Instead of getting that surgery
[00:21:02] Kelly Noonan: over and over. Exactly. And so he would visualize his spine healing vertebrae by vertebrae, and then he would start, you know, then his mind would.
[00:21:11] Kelly Noonan: Go to the, you know, him being in a wheelchair, which sounds like, yeah,
[00:21:15] Chris Dorris: I wish he said more about that. It’s a little confusing to me. Okay. But so he wa was he was visualizing that’s obviously what he didn’t want. Right?
[00:21:25] Kelly Noonan: So why was he trying, his mind kinda hijacked him? It was that survival.
[00:21:28] Chris Dorris: oh. He’s admitting that his mind went there.
[00:21:31] Chris Dorris: Like he wasn’t doing that voluntarily. I see. Thank you for that clarification. I didn’t get that. Okay. I was probably too busy taking notes. So, so what you’re saying is he, okay, so he’s doing like the work, right? He’s doing the work and then visualizing what he wants, and then the monkey mind took him off into like the fear thing.
[00:21:53] Chris Dorris: The thing he dreaded the most. Yeah. Which would be spending the rest of his life in a wheelchair, which is what the doc, I thank
[00:21:57] Kelly Noonan: you so much for doctors planted in his mind, and [00:22:00] so he couldn’t help,
[00:22:01] Chris Dorris: but oh, that’s important too, right? that’s what, okay. That, and then Deepak in the movie said, don’t believe the prog the diagnosis.
[00:22:07] Chris Dorris: Wait, whatever. I’ll get that. Yeah. it’s a good, that’s a good topic. What it’s, he said don’t believe the believe, believe the diagnosis. Believe the diagnosis. Don’t believe the prognosis. Don’t accept the prognosis.
[00:22:19] Kelly Noonan: Make your own prognosis.
[00:22:20] Chris Dorris: Gotcha. Yeah. Right. So Jerry, so the doctors said, you’re probably never gonna walk again.
[00:22:25] Kelly Noonan: Yeah. So, and Joe was like, that’s the seed that, that’s the seed they planted. Yeah. And you know, many PE doctors do that these days and they’re not meaning harm, but they’re just trying to give, you know, the realistic in their mind scenario. and if you don’t have the consciousness, you’re going to buy into that belief and just like, Hert, Benson and icac, you’re going to expect that result, obsess over that result, visualize that result, and ultimately create that result.
[00:22:55] Kelly Noonan: Okay. Right.
[00:22:56] Chris Dorris: Beautiful. Wow.
[00:22:57] Kelly Noonan: so yeah, so visualization [00:23:00] combined with feeling, it’s like, it’s such a cool, and Dr. Joe has these meditations that I do, and I really feel the energy shift in my body when I’m doing them. And it’s visualizing what you know, meditating kind of to quiet the mind, then visualizing on what it is that, you know, focusing on what you want some outcome in your life, whether it’s healing from something perfect health, you know, whatever it is you’re trying to create for yourself.
[00:23:27] Kelly Noonan: and then feeling the feelings of what that would, what would that would feel if you achieved that. When you achieved
[00:23:33] Chris Dorris: that. Yeah. I remember him saying something about that, like that, like the creating the emotion of having it already occurred.
[00:23:39] Kelly Noonan: Exactly right. And then that signals the brain to create the new kind of neuro pathways.
[00:23:45] Kelly Noonan: and he calls it firing and wiring the nerve cells of the brains in the, in new ways. And,
[00:23:52] Chris Dorris: I wanna acknowledge something. Another reason I love this movie is you are so infinitely [00:24:00] unapologetic about so much stuff that, that very recently would be considered extremely ethereal woowoo. Yeah. You know, kind of weird Yeah.
[00:24:11] Chris Dorris: Fringy bullshit. And I, and that’s important right now. Like, like as I listen to you, I think why hasn’t this been fully and more deeply embraced and applied? It would solve so many problems. Yeah. and I guess that’s a stupid question because it’s, everything’s unfolding as it should, but I’m really glad that you’re accelerating the unfolding.
[00:24:33] I
[00:24:33] Kelly Noonan: do. I do. My small part. Yeah. Wow. I try, I just feel like it’s so, it’s struck a chord, you know, it’s so truthful to me that I had, could do nothing else that expressed my opinion. And it’s just like it resonated so deeply with me. All of these concepts, all of the quantum physics and the, yeah.
[00:24:53] Chris Dorris: Well, and that’s nice that you said that it’s like, so, so much so not all, but I would say most of what was [00:25:00] discussed in the documentary is being fully supported by, research and science.
[00:25:04] Kelly Noonan: Yeah. So we’re heading that direction. We’re just, we’re so, you know, we’re so deeply ingrained and conditioned in, you know, the other Newtonian. thinking and physics and our medical establishment is so rooted in that kind of body as a machine. You know, they’re not, it’s, we haven’t been to take into account how powerful the mind is over the body, even though.
[00:25:27] Kelly Noonan: The placebo effect, you know, is
[00:25:29] Chris Dorris: like the placebo effect is to get the love it deserved.
[00:25:33] Kelly Noonan: No, it does not. Not yet. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[00:25:36] Chris Dorris: Just the beginning too. Yeah. Now let’s talk about meditation. Before we do, I gotta acknowledge something because you’re funny, you’re sneaky funny. there’s a co at least two moments in the movie where you just bust out with your own acting.
[00:25:50] Chris Dorris: Right? Although you do narrate the whole thing so you are acting cause it’s like, you know, there’s a shot of you. It’s really very artistic cuz you like, it’s like a camera angle of you speaking into your phone or into your [00:26:00] computer and then it switches to that view, which is pretty neat. but I laughed my ass off a couple times.
[00:26:05] Chris Dorris: And one of ’em is when you’re talking about meditation, right? And the camera angle is just fixed on the entrance to what looks like a very fancy hotel. and then the next thing you see is you in the lotus position on a bellman’s cart. Just kind of rolling across. Just like this, right in the middle of this serious dialogue and I laughing my ass off so much.
[00:26:24] Chris Dorris: I’m like, what the hell are they even talking about? I gotta rewind cause I was distracted by this. It’s pretty funny. It’s good stuff. the other one was in the very beginning when you’re out in the Grassfield. I know. I don’t even remember what you’re talking about. I have no clue what you guys were even talking about at that point, what you were, you know, talking about at that point in the movie.
[00:26:42] Chris Dorris: But I do certainly vividly remember the image of seeing you pop up with grass in your mouth. You’re in a field of really tall grass and you just pop up. We,
[00:26:51] Kelly Noonan: we tried to, it’s a serious topic, you know, and we tried to have as much, bring some levity to it and it worked. We went back and forth whether it [00:27:00] was appropriate or not.
[00:27:00] Kelly Noonan: And then, you know, people just continued to, like, when we did a little test screening, people loved the humor parts and they wanted us to keep it in. So we Good. I’m
[00:27:08] Chris Dorris: glad you did. Cause I love it. I love it too. A great person. But yeah. So let’s talk about meditation. I mean, you know, this is, we could talk like, you know, for weeks about meditation, but you know what, just tell us a little bit about what kind of meditation do you practice and what’s the power, what’s, why is it so important for people to continue to further embrace the power and value of meditation?
[00:27:27] Chris Dorris: Yeah.
[00:27:28] Kelly Noonan: I think now more than ever we need meditation just because we’re inundated with so much information at a faster pace than ever in any other time in history. with smartphones and computer and, you know, it’s in news and everybody yelling at each other on tv, it’s like a lot of information to process.
[00:27:45] Kelly Noonan: so meditation will allow us to just kind of. that cre all of that information. It’s like our bodies, our brains are not evolving fast enough to process all that information. We just can only process what we can process. And in the future, maybe we can [00:28:00] process a lot more. but we’re still catching up.
[00:28:02] Kelly Noonan: So that creates clutter in the mind. And when you have clutter and noise in the mind, you can’t hear, you know, that your intuition, you can’t hear your higher self kind of guiding you. It’s just a lot of noise and clutter in there. So one of the central themes to heal is, you know, you gotta create space.
[00:28:21] Kelly Noonan: You gotta let go to, to heal. And so meditation allows us to create space in our mind and quiet the noise. And, when you do that, when you create that practice and create space more often, not only does that release tension, like when you build up a lot of. Clutter. You know, little tiny things will bother you throughout the day, but if you have a regular practice of creating space in your mind, like stuff will come at you and you can handle it a lot more.
[00:28:49] Kelly Noonan: So that’s just on a basic stress level. Meditation creates space and allows you to handle stress of life so much better. Kelly, I gotta
[00:28:57] Chris Dorris: tell you, that is like the most [00:29:00] modern and, practical description or answer to that question I’ve ever heard in my life. Ah, no, that’s kick ass, that’s cool as hell because that’s important.
[00:29:10] Chris Dorris: Like that’s, we gotta need to bring it out from the fringe, right? Because it’s like, it’s most like transcendental meditation is a form of meditation that is the most studied meditation of all right? And that’s the one I learned from. Actually, I originally, this is nice. I’m glad this is coming up. I originally learned it from one of the people that you dedicated this to, Dr.
[00:29:28] Chris Dorris: Wayne Dyer, the late great Dr. Wayne, who I love so much, is one of the most influential teachers in all my life. I learned it and he called it the Gap. I learned it from him, and then I learned it more on a much more, Deepak level from Deepak Yep. at his workshops and seminars. But, it’s important and I just, I love that answer.
[00:29:46] Chris Dorris: I’m definitely making notes on that. That’s, by the way, for people that are watching this, you see me keep looking down here. I’m not distracted. I’m actually incredibly dialed in. I’m taking notes to create show notes for this. So, that is an amazing response. It’s like, so that makes it [00:30:00] not sound weird.
[00:30:01] Chris Dorris: It’s
[00:30:02] Kelly Noonan: less, more practical.
[00:30:03] Chris Dorris: Yeah. Yeah. Like I, oh wow. Holy crap. Yeah. No shit. We are definitely inundated these days with so much, mental junk clutter. Yeah. So that creates the space. Into which we can be responsive versus reactive. Correct.
[00:30:20] Kelly Noonan: Exactly. Nailed it. that’s
[00:30:21] Chris Dorris: badass. That’s badass. That’s so good.
[00:30:23] Kelly Noonan: you even summed it up even better. That’s
[00:30:25] Chris Dorris: good. I would never have been able to do that. It hadn’t been not for your answer. So, tell us about Anita more janni and her lymphoma and the whole shift from fear to love. That’s unreal. Yeah.
[00:30:35] Kelly Noonan: So she, she was kind of, when I read her book, I think it’s like three and a half years ago now, she was the final, that story was the final catalyst to go, wow.
[00:30:46] Kelly Noonan: But this is it. Like I have to make this movie. So her
[00:30:49] Chris Dorris: story and then super duper nutshell was she had really bad cancer. Yeah. Like with like tumors all around her
[00:30:57] Kelly Noonan: neck, like coming out of her body from her neck to her [00:31:00] abdomen. And so she got, she lost her best friend into cancer and then she started freaking out and like stressing that she’d get cancer and then she got cancer.
[00:31:08] Kelly Noonan: and then she. You know, and then
[00:31:11] Chris Dorris: that’s important. That’s important. She says that she owns that. Like she says, it’s the fear that led to her fear led to her cancer.
[00:31:17] Kelly Noonan: Correct. Okay. And so, you know, so her story is so fascinating. I encourage everybody to read her book. It’s called Dying to Be Me Dying.
[00:31:26] Chris Dorris: Oh, wow. What a great title. Dying to
[00:31:28] Kelly Noonan: Be Me. It’s so good. oh wow. And so essentially, I don’t wanna, you know, it’s just so good of a story, but she was on her way out. She had lemon sized tumors coming out of her skin. Her organs were shutting down. She had zero muscles left on her body cuz her body processing any nutrition.
[00:31:45] Kelly Noonan: So she went to the hospital and she went into a coma and the doctors told her husband and her family like, come and pay your respects cuz she’s out the dope. And, And so in that coma, she had a near-death experience. Yeah. And [00:32:00] what’s cool about the near-death experience is, you know, what she describes, you know, she goes into this other realm.
[00:32:07] Kelly Noonan: It’s like pure unconditional love, which is consistent to a lot of people’s experience with near-death experience. They go into this, you know, reconnect with source energy.
[00:32:16] Chris Dorris: Can I just interrupt you, Jeff? Can you pause on that? Right, right there. Have you ever in your life heard someone have a near death experience?
[00:32:21] Chris Dorris: Describe it as horrific. No. Okay. Just curious. I haven’t, neither way. I dunno if there are any, and, but that’s an interesting, that’s, I think it’s pretty important. It’s a pretty important
[00:32:32] Kelly Noonan: thing. Yes. Have you
[00:32:33] Chris Dorris: ever read, is there, has anybody ever done a book on that? Like, you know, the fact that there is, well, I assuming that there has never been a description of a near death experience as unpleasant even.
[00:32:42] Chris Dorris: Yeah. Quite horrific. All right. We’ll have to, we’ll have to get somebody to do some research on that. Okay. Sorry for the interruption.
[00:32:49] Kelly Noonan: So she went and then, and we’ll come back to that cause there, there is significance there. She, so she felt this unconditional love and she’s like, wow, this is amazing. And then she kind of became aware [00:33:00] of the present or the essence of her father.
[00:33:02] Kelly Noonan: And in, in life she grew up Hindu, which you know, has very strict cultural traditions, arranged marriage and such. But she was raised in Hong Kong, which is, has very kind of western, education system. And so she was conflicted and she let her parents down. She didn’t wanna do the arranged marriage, so she was kind of rebelling against the Hindu traditions in a lot of ways.
[00:33:25] Kelly Noonan: So there was a lot of turmoil intention between her parents and her. She felt like she embarrassed her father. So there was that whole thing. But in this other realm, with the essence of her father, there was nothing but unconditional love passing back and forth. And there was just this communication. non-verbal communication and just understanding that he was doing the best he could on life, and she did the best she could in life, and there was no judgment.
[00:33:49] Kelly Noonan: It was just pure, unconditional love. And so she felt that love and the father’s essence was like, you know, you’re not done with living your purpose. You need to go back and live your life. and [00:34:00] she got this kind of awareness and clarity that the reason she got her cancer is because she had made all her decisions in life outta fear.
[00:34:10] Kelly Noonan: And now she felt this like unconditional love and understood that we are love our sources, love, we go back to love. And there’s really nothing to fear. Wow. And her dad said, okay, now that you figure that out, go back and live your life without fear. And she’s like, I don’t wanna go back down there to that withering body, like this is bliss up here.
[00:34:27] Kelly Noonan: I wanna stay here. You know? And he’s like, you’re not done living your purpose. So she, in the, in about those moments, she came back into her body. And that in itself is fascinating. but even more fascinating and, you know, as documented on the medical records, is she, when she was in the other realm, she was aware of her brother flying in, from India.
[00:34:47] Kelly Noonan: She was aware of a conversation that her husband and a doctor that she had never met, had specifics of this conversation out of earshot, 40 feet down the hall. She would’ve never been able to hear it. She was, you know, [00:35:00] she could recall all of the things that were going on in physical realm as well. So she was like, there was like no time, space kind of limits.
[00:35:10] Kelly Noonan: which is very cool to me. Yeah. And, so she could recount all that. And they were like, how did you know that? How did you know the name of the doctor that treated you that you’d never met before your coma, during your coma? She’s like, oh, well, he came in and the nurses couldn’t find a vein and he told him to do this, and it’s just wild.
[00:35:25] Kelly Noonan: Yeah. So anyways, she goes back to your body with this new shift in consciousness from fear to love, and, her body healed all our cancer. The lemon size tumors dissolved in front of the doctor’s eyes over the next three weeks. And in five weeks she went home cancer free. And now she goes around the world talking about it.
[00:35:44] Kelly Noonan: Five freaking weeks, five freaking weeks. And, so for me, she embodies that there’s always hope and how powerful the mind and our consciousness is over our health and our physiology.
[00:35:58] Chris Dorris: And we are in [00:36:00] our infancy stage of understanding this. Yeah, these stories are incredible. I’d made a note that she said, or she had the awareness as she was having all that experience in the coma, in the near death experience.
[00:36:12] Chris Dorris: She said, if I chose to go back to my body, I knew I would heal. She do it. That’s amazing. I kind of wish that we could all have a near death experiences without having, go through all that kinda suffering.
[00:36:23] Kelly Noonan: Exactly. That’s why I’m like, okay, so I get it’s possible, but like how do we tap into that shift in consciousness without, you know, having a near death experience.
[00:36:31] Kelly Noonan: Like that’s the, how do we have that powerful in the shift without, what’s your answer to that?
[00:36:37] Chris Dorris: Oh God. I dunno. We’ll just take a stab.
[00:36:42] Kelly Noonan: I mean, yeah, it’s just continuing to, You know, it’s a practice. Life is a practice. Life is a journey of continuing to get back. I don’t know, I don’t know the answer to that.
[00:36:57] Kelly Noonan: Oh,
[00:36:57] Chris Dorris: you are doing so well right there. [00:37:00] You’re so convincing too. Oh, maybe it has. No, but I like what you’re saying though. It’s a practice, and I’m gonna ask you in a few minutes what some of your practices are, right? In addition to like, you know, meditation and Pilates, you do Pilates? Oh yeah. You told me that you just got back from Pilates yesterday when we talked.
[00:37:17] Chris Dorris: So, next question for you. Oh, okay. So there was this like really emotionally charged scene in the movie where a man with a brain tumor was being treated by Rob Morgan. He’s the divine conduit. He seems like it’s just a ball of love.
[00:37:35] Kelly Noonan: Rob. Yeah, he is. Yeah. Yeah. And he’s got these like gigantic hands. Oh, really?
[00:37:40] Kelly Noonan: He was meant to be a healer. I mean, his largest hands I’ve ever,
[00:37:45] Chris Dorris: that’s per how Handy? Handy. So, so they had, they sh as he was doing the work, the treatment on this guy, with the brain tumor, they, the camera panned out to the, to I guess a room full of people who were observing. [00:38:00] Among them Was you?
[00:38:00] Chris Dorris: There wasn’t a dry eye in the room, including mine as I was watching it. It was one of the times when I wept. and so were you right? You were crying then. Yeah. Can you tell us what were you experiencing there? what were you experiencing there?
[00:38:18] Kelly Noonan: well, Rob, I mean, he says like when he’s healing someone, cause he does group healings all the time.
[00:38:24] Kelly Noonan: He says when he’s healing someone, everybody else that’s witnessing it and in the room is receiving the same healing. So if like he’s working on someone’s liver, people in the audience are getting a little liver tune up, you know? And I just saw, yeah, so Roger, so, so, so, so
[00:38:41] Chris Dorris: I wasn’t in a room, but I was moved to tears.
[00:38:46] Chris Dorris: So,
[00:38:46] Kelly Noonan: yeah. I don’t know if that have a little liver love or, well, I guess it wouldn’t be Maybe the energy, it could, it energy, you know, transcends even digital media, I think.
[00:38:57] Chris Dorris: I dunno where, even if it’s not present that was recorded like over a year ago. [00:39:00] Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t know. That’s interesting though, isn’t it?
[00:39:02] Chris Dorris: It is. It’s because I was really moved. And I didn’t know why, I didn’t even know what he is doing. He just got his, I mean, he’s like holding the guy and just saying loving things and. I don’t know what kind of work does there A name does? Does he use a name for the work that he was doing?
[00:39:17] Chris Dorris: Cause it’s not, is it Reiki? is
[00:39:18] Kelly Noonan: it’s energy healing. He basically says energy healing, channeling. He’s basically like, you know, whether it’s, he’s channeling pure divine love. So divine energy from God or source, whatever term it’s comfortable for you. he just kind of is that channel.
[00:39:37] Kelly Noonan: I mean, and he is, he’s sweating his, there’s like crazy heat coming out of his hands. and he just gets out of the way. He doesn’t know, he’s just kind of guided to go where he doesn’t even wanna know what you have, you know, or what label you come in with or what really he just, he’s just guided to, to put his hands and move around whatever he’s guided to do.
[00:39:59] Kelly Noonan: And he is just, [00:40:00] he get he, Rob Morgan gets out of the way and he’s just kind of a. Conduit for that divine light to come in and blast out any density or stuckness that’s in your body.
[00:40:12] Chris Dorris: Man. So at one point, Greg Braden, who, who is a geologist Yeah. By training, which was like study rocks.
[00:40:24] Chris Dorris: Yeah. He’s moved on. He’s moved on. He has moved out. Yes. Up He describes how when we have an emotion within our heart that then the, the heart thing sends a message to the brain, and so I guess contingent upon the quality of the emotion, Right. that governs the level,the quality of the communication that comes from the heart to the brain, and the communication instructs the brain to release chemicals, which, I beckwith categorizes it to two categories, either tonic [00:41:00] or toxic.
[00:41:00] Chris Dorris: Right? So, so there’s an emotion, right? Like, so if the motion is, rage, panic, right? Jealousy, any of the dark ones Right? Or low, what I call low grade states, then the, then the message comes in a ne like an ugly looking. If it was, diagramed, an ugly looking Jagged, yeah. Right?
[00:41:21] Chris Dorris: Yes. And that’s incoherence, and that instructs the brain to release stuff like cortisol and adrenaline, which is like the survival drugs. Pharmacy. And, am I getting this? You are.
[00:41:32] Kelly Noonan: and it comes up with a jagged because they’re actually measuring this with scientific, you know, HeartMath Institute, they measure.
[00:41:38] Chris Dorris: Okay, you just cut to the chase there. I wanted those. Nobody ever says HeartMath in the movie. Not once. I know, that’s why. Is that weird? so my question to you was at the end of this was like, are we talking HeartMath here? Because this sounds like HeartMath.
[00:41:49] Kelly Noonan: Yeah, Greg’s really involved with HeartMath and
[00:41:51] Chris Dorris: I never said the words hard math.
[00:41:52] Chris Dorris: He never said the words once. That’s why I thought how I get
[00:41:55] Kelly Noonan: in an interview. I think it just got cut because Okay. We just had to keep trimming [00:42:00] down at the
[00:42:00] Chris Dorris: end. but so the bo so tell us just a little bit about that cuz I don’t, not a couple of my friends, you know, I come from a back psychology background.
[00:42:08] Chris Dorris: I was a licensed therapist before I got into coaching. I was a social worker before that, but a lot of my friends, not a lot, a few, a couple of my friends got into heart math. And a, one of ’em brought some device over to here to my house one time and like hooked me up. It was like some kind of biofeedback and it was making a sound and it was telling you when you’re getting coherent.
[00:42:23] Chris Dorris: He gave me very ambiguous instructions. And just like said, just follow the technology, just let the technology tell you when you are in coherence anyway. so,
[00:42:33] Kelly Noonan: yeah, I think the important thing is you can measure, I mean, this is all scientifically measured. How when you are, how your emotions affect your brainwaves and your, you know, like they, Joe Dispenza, they hook in his workshops too, that he hooks them up to, yeah.
[00:42:52] Kelly Noonan: To Heart, brain, you know, I forget the name of the actual machine, but it’s, yeah. You had
[00:42:58] Chris Dorris: wearing these head dresses [00:43:00] with a bunch of sticker
[00:43:01] Kelly Noonan: and measure when people are in meditation uhhuh their brainwaves, you know, and or the, you know, I guess it’s heart brain coherence, right? it gets in this like, Really coherent wave pattern.
[00:43:16] Kelly Noonan: And then when they’re, you know, before they get into their meditation or whatever, it’s just that sporadic, you know, which is similar to if you’re stressed out and you’re negative, you know, or thinking of that fear, fearful thoughts or angry thoughts or jealous or insecure or whatever it is. you know, it shows that you’re in incoherent.
[00:43:34] Kelly Noonan: So it, I guess basically it’s just scientifically proving that negative emotions release negative chemistry,and an effect on your body and positive emotions, love, compassion, gratitude, you know, which is a state of mind you’re in when you’re in meditation. that will release positive healing chemicals into your body and
[00:43:57] Chris Dorris: all the positively, like dopamine, serotonin, [00:44:00] oxytocin.
[00:44:00] Chris Dorris: Exactly. I’m just trying to show off all the notes at the top right now. Alright. You’re smart Cookie. But, so, so the, what I take away, right, as a mental coach from this is just even more and more compelling evidence for why it’s important to train ourselves, to choose operative word, to choose to put ourselves and to truly elevated the estate that are also not, they’re not just elevated, they’re intelligent.
[00:44:26] Chris Dorris: But gratitude, enthusiasm, right? Peace, competency, expertise, anything that has us feel great. Right? Yeah. Amen. And that’s stuff, and this is why I’m doing, by the way, this is why I do these talks, this is why I have this tough talk series, is to educate people on exactly all of this. Because we didn’t have a class on it.
[00:44:45] Chris Dorris: I didn’t, no. I went to grad school in psychology and never had one. What is that? I don’t know. I’m gonna call bullshit on it. Do it.
[00:44:55] Kelly Noonan: We gotta do the Chris Doris University of
[00:44:57] Chris Dorris: graduate program. Here’s a, here’s an, [00:45:00] so, you know, going back to, so when I was, when I started my professional career, I was a clinical social worker working with folks with all kinds of different, mental diagnoses.
[00:45:10] Chris Dorris: And, among them were, bipolar disorder Which I’m referred to Asmatic depression, and schizophrenia. A few forms of chronic schizophrenia. So my question for you is, cause that stuff doesn’t come up in this documentary, but my question to you is either in the making of the film or in, in any of your experience, in your research or in your life experience, have you ever had any discussions with anybody on, on, like, the nature of the, these seemingly so far untreatable mental conditions?
[00:45:38] Chris Dorris: Like, you know, maybe bipolar’s, not untreatable, but schizophrenia seems to be. Did seem still
[00:45:44] Kelly Noonan: mystifying us. Definitely a tough one. I spoke to Darren Weisman, who’s one of the experts in the film, and he has a technique called the Lifeline Technique. Lifeline. Lifeline, okay. And it has to do, you know, it’s based on all these [00:46:00] different kind of disciplines that he created this system where he can kind of, by using muscle testing, applied kinesiology The body can, he can go through a series of questions or whatever and he can pinpoint in the body. And at what time the trauma happened, he can go back, you know, based on the acupuncture meridians and the connection of everything in the body, he can find where trauma is soared in the body. What age you were when that trauma occurred?
[00:46:27] Kelly Noonan: you know, it’s wild. And he ha he’s told me he’s successfully gotten people off bipolar medications, schizophrenia, like a lot of tough mental health
[00:46:37] Chris Dorris: issues really. Does he have any, does he have any, books or where do I learn more about
[00:46:41] Kelly Noonan: him? I go to his website. I’m sure he has books. But you
[00:46:44] Chris Dorris: have, it’s in the, do you have the way to find each of these people’s stuff in the credits of the movie?
[00:46:49] Kelly Noonan: Yeah. And on our website, heal documentary.com we have bios, yeah.
[00:46:54] Chris Dorris: Oh, on all of them? I think so. Right on. He’s a chiropractor by TRA training, isn’t he? [00:47:00] Yeah. A lot. A few people in the movie are. Yeah. it’s one of the more interesting things about this tribe of experts is that it’s like, it seems for several of them, they’re, fundamental training is not really what they’re doing now.
[00:47:13] Chris Dorris: Right. Not directly. Not traditionally. Right, right. Like the geologist, for example. Yeah. great. I think that’s the greatest example. I’d love to know the story of how about that shift. Right, right, right. So, I wanna, just, this is not a question. This is simply me, acknowledging something. You got mad soccer skills.
[00:47:33] Kelly Noonan: Ah, thank you. Were couple. It was a little Were you a player? I’ve played my whole life since I was five years old. Yeah. Yeah. I look
[00:47:40] Chris Dorris: pretty obviously. And you look pretty. Was that new? Is that oh God. I go there all the time. Santa Monica. That Santa Monica? Yeah. Wow. that was cool. You look so happy, dude.
[00:47:49] Chris Dorris: Did you like to stumble? Were you guys after just filming and you’re like,
[00:47:51] Kelly Noonan: oh, they’re playing soccer? Yeah, we were getting B roll and you know, it kind of tied in with like, do what you love. And I’m like, oh, I love [00:48:00] soccer, so I’m just gonna hop into I,
[00:48:01] Chris Dorris: I loved, that was cool. That was really, that was a cool, neat, surprise.
[00:48:05] Chris Dorris: So skills. Is there a difference between integrative and holistic medicine? Are they just two names for the same thing?
[00:48:15] Kelly Noonan: I mean, I kind of view them as the same. I feel like holistic. Should, holistic might seem my definition, or by most people’s definition a little bit more natural. Integrative combines best of both worlds, Western and Eastern.
[00:48:33] Kelly Noonan: It kind of takes into account everything, but I just think holistic takes into account everything. It sees the whole picture, the mind, body, and spirit, you know, mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual. so I don’t see any difference
[00:48:46] Chris Dorris: in, in your, opinion, do you think that, traditionally trained Western medical model physicians are warming up to holistic practice or practitioners and integrative, medicine techniques?
[00:48:59] Kelly Noonan: For [00:49:00] sure. Yeah. I think, yeah, I think great. Think that also there is a demand. I know, I mean even like I have friends who are doctors and then they get, I think what usually happens is they need something to knock them out of their. One grained training way of thinking, in Western medicine. And it’s usually a personal illness or a diagnosis that they’re going through where they, or someone close to them.
[00:49:27] Kelly Noonan: But usually it’s a personal thing where they go through something and they realize, oh, shoot. Like for instance, Kelly Brogan Perfectly. Is that the radical
[00:49:35] Chris Dorris: remission woman? No,
[00:49:37] Kelly Noonan: that’s Kelly
[00:49:37] Chris Dorris: Turner. There’s you have like nine Kelly’s. Ok, I know. Requisite. I guess so. Great.
[00:49:44] Kelly Noonan: Got bust. But, Kelly Brogan is, she’s beautiful, dark haired woman who is a,psychiatrist, psychologist.
[00:49:51] Kelly Noonan: no.
[00:49:52] Chris Dorris: She’s a psychiatrist. She’s a psychiatrist. She holistic. I paid attention to that. Yeah. Psychiatrist. That matters to me. There are very few. You, the combination of words [00:50:00] Holistic psychiatrist blew my mind. Yes. Yeah. Keep going.
[00:50:04] Kelly Noonan: The perfect example, her story. She was like a traditional, you know, top university, like I think Cornell and, psychiatrist who, yeah, she was doling out antidepressants like candy.
[00:50:16] Kelly Noonan: She, you know, she was, had an unhealthy diet herself. She was giving, you know, she, she thought antidepressants were like the key to, to help. Yeah. Yeah. And she would give a prescription to pregnant people. And then it wasn’t until she, two things happened. She got pregnant and then she was like, oh, ooh, I don’t think I would wanna, I don’t think taking an antidepressant would be good for the child.
[00:50:41] Kelly Noonan: So she started thinking like, Ooh, maybe I shouldn’t be doling them out. And then she got diagnosed with Hashimotos thyroiditis. Yeah, she said that right. And the doctors told her, you know, she’d be on a pill the rest of her life, or, And she just kind of like light bulb woke up and was like, no. And then she realized she’s [00:51:00] burning out her adrenals, you know, drinking coffee all day, eating sugar and like not sleeping, just a terrible, you know, lifestyle.
[00:51:08] Kelly Noonan: And switched, changed up her lifestyle and in six months she healed Hashimoto thyroiditis. Once she had started that deep dive into the truth and the medical literature and all of the things that she was personally having to research and change in her life, she was just like, holy moly, we are not given the truth in medical school.
[00:51:28] Kelly Noonan: Wow. You know? And now she is like, Full extreme other end of the spectrum. totally natural, getting people off meds. I need to talk to her. She’s
[00:51:38] Chris Dorris: amazing. I really need to talk to her. One of my next projects, my next project that I’ve already started is creating an online course on anxiety and depression.
[00:51:45] Chris Dorris: Cause I’m really pissed off as a clinical social worker. I watch people just get drugged up and then drugged for the drugs and it was just, it’s terrible and it’s still terrible. It’s terrible’s a whole big kinda thing, which we’re not gonna go down that slippery slope. Yeah, but it’s bad. It’s a bad,
[00:51:58] Kelly Noonan: she has an amazing program and it [00:52:00] starts with like a pretty strict 30 day, you know, diet.
[00:52:05] Kelly Noonan: You know, she does nutrition as like her basis foundation. You can’t,your brain chemistry is so tied to your gut health that, she starts there and then after that 30, 45 days, whatever her change in diet is at that point, then she can evaluate how safely best to get you off meds.
[00:52:24] Chris Dorris: You know, you said, and that, and I love every bit of that, right?
[00:52:28] Chris Dorris: Is getting people off meds or onto the right meds, right? Yes. The meds that our brains naturally create or our bodies create for us.
[00:52:40] Chris Dorris: Go ahead. Another follow up. Oh, you, you just said something. oh, gut. Do you know much about gut cells? I don’t, I’ve just heard that they have unique functions that there’s like more legitimate or like the phrase, the colloquialism, Hey, trust your gut is actually more literal [00:53:00] than the vast majority of us realize because our gut cells are communicating with us.
[00:53:06] Chris Dorris: Yeah. We
[00:53:06] Kelly Noonan: actually have like brain cells in our guts. We have neurons in our gut. So it’s, there’s it’s all connected. Yeah. Brain and gut. So, you know, the gut is kind of our second mind.
[00:53:20] Chris Dorris: Oh, I love that. Yeah. Oh, that’s neat, huh? Our gut is our second mind. That’s pretty neat. So what are your practices? what are the things that you do, what are the disciplines of practices, the lifestyle, whatever stuff that, that you, rely on in order to, for your health?
[00:53:38] Chris Dorris: Yeah.
[00:53:39] Kelly Noonan: you know, diet, exercise, and then kind of some mental practices. I would say as far as diet goes, I’ve tried twice to be vegetarian. It hasn’t worked out for me. I’m type O blood type, and I feel like that’s, I just need that, you know, clean source of meat every once in a while. [00:54:00] Good. So that’s personally where I’m at right now.
[00:54:02] Kelly Noonan: I know that like a lot of highly conscious people think that vegan is the right way, so I’m not there yet, but,I eat as much unprocessed as I can. If I do eat processed food or some sort of convenience food, like crackers or chips, I look for just the most simple, basic, ingredients, you know?
[00:54:21] Kelly Noonan: and so, you know, I try to eat like a unprocessed diet as much as I can, and just clean sources, organic produce and grass-fed, naturally raised meat products if I’m eating them. dairy, I’m a sucker for cheese. I love cheese, so I’ll, but I’ll only eat like clean sources. You know, the cows and the milk in Europe tend to be a little bit of a different enzyme.
[00:54:44] Kelly Noonan: Or have different enzymes in ’em and less of an effect on my digestion. So I’ll eat like Irish cheddar or imports, when I need that. So anyways, basically diet I don’t stress. Isn’t that the carry gold stuff? Carry gold. I love that. Love the carry
[00:54:58] Chris Dorris: gold. Do you,[00:55:00] bulletproof coffee?
[00:55:01] Kelly Noonan: I do. I just have one cup of coffee in the morning with, one tablespoon of coconut.
[00:55:05] Kelly Noonan: I ha I do my own. Do you put the butter in it? Mo moderation, the perold butter modification? I, I don’t, I used to, but I tend, I like the, i the butter taste of my coffee just doesn’t do it for me. But I don’t mind the coconut oil. It makes it creamy and I feel like it makes it less, acidic on my stomach.
[00:55:22] Kelly Noonan: So I just do one, one cup of coffee in the morning and, Tables and coconut oil. and then, so, so yeah, so diet, I don’t stress. I just eat as clean as what kind of exercise? Do you do exercise? I do. Well, I’m, pregnant. I don’t know if I
[00:55:36] Chris Dorris: told you that. No, I don’t know if, I don’t think you told me that.
[00:55:39] Chris Dorris: Congratulations.
[00:55:40] Kelly Noonan: Thank you. So my exercise is a little different now. I just, I used to be a runner. I ran, I, I go through phases, you know? Sure. So now I’m just doing Pilates and walking and yoga. Oh yeah. And yoga. Yoga to keep the, keep it all open and right on.
[00:55:54] Chris Dorris: Flexible down there. Now, tell me, oh,
[00:55:56] Kelly Noonan: and then, okay.
[00:55:57] Kelly Noonan: Yeah. Meditation and, I would say my two [00:56:00] like spiritual practices are, meditation and like gratitude work, you know,
[00:56:06] Chris Dorris: gratitude work, get, just gimme a little bit of specifics on what that means.
[00:56:10] Kelly Noonan: it’s kind of a version of visualization. I like, I love to just, I think gratitude is a great place to, it’s a great tool to, if you’re stressed out, if you’re angry, if you’re kind of getting pulled back into like some pettiness, switching or stressed out, super stressed out about something, switching your focus, pivoting your focus to what you have in your life to be grateful for is a great way to shift your energy and, you know, stop that kinda downward spiral.
[00:56:37] Kelly Noonan: Yeah. Kinda like the joda spends a wheelchair, you know, your mind hijacks you. Yep. Coming back to gratitude is a good way. And then also I think it’s a great tool for kind of manifestation or creation. I like to write, I’m, I’m a writer, so I write in a journal and I give thanks for things that are actually happening in my life that I’m grateful for, but then I mix in,[00:57:00] you know, giving thanks for things that I want to create as if I already have.
[00:57:05] Kelly Noonan: That’s very
[00:57:06] Chris Dorris: interesting, fantasizing. I love that. Yeah. that’s pretty cool. That’s a nugget get. Oh, I love that. All right, so
[00:57:12] Kelly Noonan: giving, it’s like fantasizing. it’s like training your brain to focus on what you want rather than getting sucked into what you don’t want, kinda
[00:57:18] Chris Dorris: thing.
[00:57:19] Chris Dorris: That’s so cool. Giving thanks for what you’re haven’t even created yet. Yeah. That’s not intuitive. That’s pretty neat, huh? Then it
[00:57:29] Kelly Noonan: kind of feels good and then you’re just like, oh. You start to feel the feelings of having
[00:57:34] Chris Dorris: what is That is kick ass. You’re giving thanks for the future. Yeah, Zach, I love
[00:57:39] Kelly Noonan: that.
[00:57:41] Kelly Noonan: Without thinking too much. You know, at first it feels kind of weird and then you just like have fun with it,
[00:57:45] Chris Dorris: you know? Yeah. Well, yeah,I love that too. Cause having fun is very intelligent. I often talk about the intelligence of fun because when we’re having fun is when we’re activating all the good states that activate all the good chemicals that have us be good and smart.[00:58:00]
[00:58:00] Chris Dorris: and have soccer skills. So what’s next for you, Kelly? Well, well, other than the fact that you’re having a baby,
[00:58:07] Kelly Noonan: creating this little baby is my next. yeah. Right on. I’m five and a half. I’m halfway through, so that’s good. Oh, cool. Over halfway. Nice. and then, like I said, we just finished the book version of Heal Documentary, cuz I think it’s, You know, like you have your books there with your paper straw
[00:58:22] Chris Dorris: page holders.
[00:58:23] Chris Dorris: Yeah. These are all books that actually were referenced act,in your documentary. Yeah. By Andrew. We is he, what’s he, what’s that guy doing anymore? I don’t hear anything about him.
[00:58:33] Kelly Noonan: I asked Andrew to be in the film and he did? No, he was one of the like two nos. So his loss, you know,
[00:58:40] Chris Dorris: wow.
[00:58:40] Chris Dorris: I, this book right in the trash. But I did study Spontaneous Healing. The guy’s brilliant dude. Is he brilliant in Tucson? Is he still down in Tucson? I think so. Okay. So anyway, I interrupted you again. What were we talking about? What your
[00:58:57] Kelly Noonan: future holds professionally? Oh yeah. So we’re releasing the [00:59:00] heel book this spring.
[00:59:01] Kelly Noonan: heel is coming out on Netflix, first, which is cool. That is very cool. Cause they, again, it was, they weren’t, they like sent out last year. They sent out the whole industry-wide thing that they weren’t, licensing other people’s content. They were just putting all their money into creating their own.
[00:59:19] Kelly Noonan: And I was just like, Nope, I see this on Netflix. Like, don’t take no for an answer. And we kept persisting. And then they license our film, so we, hell yeah. There’s not a ton of conscious content on Netflix at this moment. So it’s, hopefully we
[00:59:31] Chris Dorris: stand out a little bit, but Beautiful. Congratulations on that.
[00:59:35] Chris Dorris: That’s huge.
[00:59:35] Kelly Noonan: Thank you. And then, hey house, we did a heel summit. I, you know, an hour and 45 minutes. Everyone kept telling me, oh, you need to cut it down even more, you know, for a documentary. And I was like, there’s just no way. There’s so much good information. So I have these. 17, 18 experts that you talked about.
[00:59:53] Kelly Noonan: I, I think there’s 18 interviews that I did, but only 17 made the film. and those interviews are all like an hour plus.[01:00:00] So I had all this great content, but only like two to seven minutes of each interview got into the film. So I released with Hay House’s last summer, the full length interviews in a heel summit,
[01:00:11] Chris Dorris: that went, I’m gonna leave my office.
[01:00:13] Chris Dorris: Oh, it was great. Screwed need, go out and load up on legal
[01:00:19] Kelly Noonan: pads. Yeah, it was really great information. And you got, when does that happen? So that was this past summer we released it. But I mean, when it’s out already. How do I not know about
[01:00:29] Chris Dorris: this? I don’t know what is up with that.
[01:00:31] Kelly Noonan: I don’t know.
[01:00:32] Kelly Noonan: I’m wondering
[01:00:33] Chris Dorris: if I’m experiencing anger, I need to do some of the work here. I need to go to gratitude cause I’m getting pissed. So where do
[01:00:39] Kelly Noonan: we get that? So I don’t know if it’s even still available. I’ll talk to them. We were gonna do a new one, a new set of interviews to be released this summer.
[01:00:48] Kelly Noonan: So we’re talking about that. Maybe because it’s coming out on Netflix and it should get a little more exposure. Maybe we will just release the same summit that we released earlier [01:01:00] this summer again and get the full length interviews out there. Cause it’s such great information. So I really, I need to see that.
[01:01:04] Kelly Noonan: I’ll work on that. Yeah. I’ll see if you can still get it. I’ll send it.
[01:01:07] Chris Dorris: Okay. Thank you. Yeah, because that’s gonna really influence the way I serve.
[01:01:12] Kelly Noonan: Yeah, no, I know. it’s,I’ll find out. There’s
[01:01:14] Chris Dorris: gotta be a way where should folks, thank you. Where where do folks follow you on social media?
[01:01:20] Kelly Noonan: at Heal Documentary, Twitter and, Instagram and Facebook
[01:01:24] Chris Dorris: at Heal Docu. I’ll put these in the notes personally. That’s, that, that’s simple. At Heal documentary.
[01:01:31] Kelly Noonan: Oh, heal Documentary. And then my, I’m not really active on Twitter, although I think it’s great. Instagram I’m at Kelly Goriss. Let’s see some of my personal
[01:01:41] Chris Dorris: at Kelly Go ig.
[01:01:43] Chris Dorris: Yeah, I follow you on. Oh, that’s how I stalked you. Yeah. And you’re so gracious. I really appreciate your All right. Here I go back into gratitude cause I got pissed off there for a second. Smart. You know, like, like we said in the beginning, before we pressed record, [01:02:00] I told you that I often. Set the intention in the beginning to go for a half an hour.
[01:02:07] Chris Dorris: I knew that would be impossible. I’m unbelievably impressed that we only doubled that. that’s fun, man. I’ll tell you what. Yeah, I agree and important, what you’re doing is amazing. I wanna thank you unbelievably sincerely, from the bottom of my heart, not just for making time today to share with the people that follow my work, but for putting all the, for caring about all of this and for being so masterful in the way that you’re putting it together.
[01:02:33] Chris Dorris: And I can’t wait to see what else you, other miracles you create in the future. Thank you. Thank you, Ellen. Go. Thank you so much.
[01:02:42] Kelly Noonan: Thank you for having me. And keep up your awesome work as
[01:02:44] Chris Dorris: well. It’s, I appreciate that.
