TOUGH TALKS: Deliberate Inspiration with THEE Godfather of Coaching! with Steve Chandler

This guy is the best speaker I have ever seen and heard. And he’s won numerous awards for it. He’s also written about 40 books that have been translated into over 25 languages.

He is funny as hell. Sneaky funny. You listen to this guy and you laugh as you learn.

I am so super pumped to bring you THEE Godfather of Coaching!

More about Steve Chandler:

Website: www.stevechandler.com

Kobe Bryant Inspiration video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSceuiPBpxY

Gratitude HD Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj2ofrX7jAk

Here is an AI transcript of the whole podcast:

[00:00:00] Steve Chadler: Yeah. Failure in, contemporary terms, like, well, I, I guess so things like addiction, alcoholism, divorce, bankruptcy,and then failed business ventures or failed careers. You could call ’em failure. But, you know, looking back, they all, they were all, contributing to what I do now. They were all really, amazing learning experiences.

[00:00:31] Steve Chadler: Now the trick is, how soon do you wanna see that when you’re experiencing failure? that this is good for you. That I love

[00:00:41] Chris Dorris: that. Que that’s so great. I love that a lot. I haven’t heard our heart articulated like that. I’m totally stealing that. I love, love, love that. Most of us never learned how to train our brains.

[00:00:51] Chris Dorris: Which is why most of us needlessly, settle, struggle, and worse sufferer. My name is Chris Doris and I wanna make brain training mainstream. [00:01:00] This is my series, tough Talks, conversations on mental Toughness. I’m interviewing bad asses from all walks of life on what mental toughness means to them and their unique approaches to strengthening their minds.

[00:01:14] Chris Dorris: You looking at one pumped homeboy over here, I am super duper excited about our Tough Talks guest today because he’s one of my favorite people in the world and he has, helped me transform, as powerfully as anybody and more powerfully than anybody in my history, specifically with respect to building my practice and building a lucrative, thriving.

[00:01:43] Chris Dorris: Coaching and speaking practice. there’s nobody that’s taught me more than him. And, you know, you don’t need to be a coach or a speaker to glean value from what we’re about to, experience because, you know, Steve Chandler, ah, is just [00:02:00] a gift to the planet. And, so let me tell you a little bit about him from his bio on his website, which is steve chandler.com.

[00:02:09] Chris Dorris: So, drawing on Steve’s more than 20 years of working with professionals to dramatically improve their success, the mind shift that he offers frees people from unnecessary pessimism. I love that. Unnecessary pessimism. It puts them back in touch with the source of their enthusiasm for work and life.

[00:02:28] Chris Dorris: Although Steve graduated from the University of Arizona with a degree in creative writing and political science. And spent four years in the military studying language and psychological warfare, which I have never talked to him about. And I really hope that we will get to it. I will make a point of getting to that to see what, like, what is that, what’s that about?

[00:02:46] Chris Dorris: So interesting to me, and I’m surprised, I’ve known him for so many years, well over a decade and I, maybe 20 years, and I’ve never asked him about it. Anyway, psychological warfare. He credits his own life experiences [00:03:00] with failure. I’m gonna ask him about that too, as the most valuable tools for helping others.

[00:03:06] Chris Dorris: he’s like one, one. He may be the most humble dude that I know. And he’s also one of the funniest dudes that I know. And he uses humble humor to make some really powerful points. One of my famous, favorite things about him is that you’re guaranteed to laugh. That’s a fact. I’m calling that right now.

[00:03:27] Chris Dorris: I’m not going down on a limb there either. So, Steve’s audiences are inspired by stories of his low points. He gives them hope because they realize that, that they’re not nearly as bad off as he was. And they figure if Steve can transform his life, so can they. So he’s the offer of probably close to 40 books somewhere in the vicinity of four, not probably in the vicinity of 40 books that have been translated into over 25 languages, which is amazing.

[00:03:51] Chris Dorris: He’s so prolific and his stuff is so good. so he’s, so his personal success coaching, public speaking and business consulting have been used by CEOs, top professionals, major [00:04:00] universities, and over 30 Fortune 500 companies. He’s won all kinds of awards, been on all kinds of TV and top radio shows.

[00:04:07] Chris Dorris: he’s just an amazing human being. Who, has great stories and, has really taught me that my bank account is a direct reflection. My bank account balance is the direct reflection of my level of service, which is beautiful. And he is a true servant. You’re gonna love this. I know it. So, let’s go find him.

[00:04:26] Chris Dorris: He’s here somewhere. Let’s not keep him waiting. Here he is. The man, the Godfather. why do you shake

[00:04:33] Steve Chadler: your head like that? Well, it’s kind of a funny title, right? I mean, I, yeah, let’s, what’s the story? I don’t even know the story behind that. Well, I think you can guess. I think I can, Mr. Hardison.

[00:04:48] Steve Chadler: he proclaimed it at one point and then asked me if I was willing to live into it. And, that was many years ago. And I said, why not? You know, I’m not about [00:05:00] personal branding, but I don’t, I never use it. a lot of people have, heard it as the grandfather of coaching. Oh. Which is more appropriate, more age appropriate, name.

[00:05:12] Steve Chadler: But anyway, I have coached a long time. Let’s just put it that way.

[00:05:18] Chris Dorris: You know, you got a new look going and I’m digging it. Yeah. Now, I don’t know if like you’re just trying to mimic

[00:05:24] Steve Chadler: me or what’s going on. I am in, I am inspired by you in many ways. Maybe I should And, guys should do this. And we’re like, now we’re like, twinsies.

[00:05:31] Steve Chadler: Yeah. That’s a little too much. No, but I like it. Looks good. Thank you. You look great. You’re working out, aren’t you? Yep. Ah,

[00:05:43] Chris Dorris: my question. Frozen. Frozen

[00:05:48] Steve Chadler: now. It’s actually not a lot of projects ahead. So, good health is important and strength. I love that. Ah,

[00:05:56] Chris Dorris: well, well, nice segue there. You’re still, you know, can you hear [00:06:00] me?

[00:06:00] Chris Dorris: All right.

[00:06:04] Chris Dorris: So this happens often, like Steve has me on. Wow. that’s an interesting circumstance

[00:06:14] Steve Chadler: I think when you went like that. Yeah. Maybe

[00:06:17] Chris Dorris: that’s what happened. So, you know, this happens to us. We’ve had this happen before. Remember you were interviewing me one time and I just went away. I think I was on a cordless phone.

[00:06:25] Chris Dorris: This is a long time ago. You remember? Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. and I love the way you handled it, which was, see, we like to work with these things. So one of my favorite mantras, right, is that every set of circumstances can be leveraged to, for gain if viewed masterfully. In other words, we can create from anything, from any moment we, we can create from, right?

[00:06:44] Chris Dorris: The creator. We’ll talk about that a little bit later on so we can create from this. So this is us utilizing the technological experience right now that we just had, which is not a problem, it’s just a situation. That’s right. And here we are [00:07:00] responding to it with grace.

[00:07:03] Steve Chadler: Beautiful.

[00:07:06] Chris Dorris: So, when people ask you, you know, somebody you just meet for the first time and they say, oh, hi Steve, it’s very nice to meet you in the off chance that they don’t already happen to know who you are.

[00:07:17] Chris Dorris: And they say, what do you do? How do you

[00:07:21] Steve Chadler: answer these days? you know, it depends. cause if I’m in the middle of doing a lot of writing, working on a book, not doing much coaching I might just impulsively say, I write books and make recordings. And, right now I’m working on a book, so I might say that I might say I’m a coach.

[00:07:41] Chris Dorris: if you’re in the writing phase and you say that I’m an author, then the follow up question that they might ask is, oh, really? What do you write

[00:07:47] Steve Chadler: on? Yeah. So that’s a tough one, you know, because, I’ve written books about baseball, Jane, Austin, Moby Dick. I wrote a book about obituaries.[00:08:00]

[00:08:00] Steve Chadler: So if I start saying, if I start saying that, it’s like the people back away, like, nice to meet you.

[00:08:08] Chris Dorris: Yeah. Sorry, I.

[00:08:12] Chris Dorris: You know,

[00:08:12] Steve Chadler: sometimes I say business, you know, it depends. now if I’m in a situation where I’m looking for clients or I’m in a business situation, I would respond with what would be most interesting to the person. So, I’ve written books on sales, books on business. If I’m talking to a businessman, I might say, written a number of books on small business leadership and sales, and they say, oh, so Chameleon.

[00:08:43] Steve Chadler: Well,

[00:08:43] Chris Dorris: how many books have you written to the, at this point, how many books have you written this week?

[00:08:49] Steve Chadler: zero this week. Think the total is somewhere over 30, maybe 40. But some of those are co-written about, a fourth of [00:09:00] them are co-written so that, You know what it is. Oh, so only really 30. Yeah.

[00:09:06] Steve Chadler: Right. But what it is there’s an element to it of, was it Einstein who said Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, hoping for a different result. Yeah. so, so it’s not, who knows how admirable that really is when you, one of the

[00:09:26] Chris Dorris: things I love about you is your, your humble humor you use.

[00:09:31] Chris Dorris: Well, that actually reminds me there’s something in your bio that I wanted to ask you about and that Well, yes. In your bio, in your bo and you’re about Steve, page on your website, and it says something like, your most valuable tools for helping others, are your life experiences with

[00:09:45] Steve Chadler: failure.

[00:09:47] Steve Chadler: Yes. Talk about that. Yeah. Fa you know, failure, you You know, when I talk to you, I don’t have to explain a lot about, using [00:10:00] breakdown, working with what looks like a problem and just working with it, using it. I once gave a talk with a group and the l the power went out in the building.

[00:10:10] Steve Chadler: Wow. And, I just kept talking as if I didn’t notice anything and they thought it was hilarious, but I, you know, why stop what we’re doing just because of little detail here. so, failure. Yeah. Failure in, contemporary terms, like, well, I, I guess so things like addiction, alcoholism, divorce, bankruptcy,And then failed business ventures or failed careers, you could call ’em failure. But, you know, looking back, they all, they were all, contributing to what I do now. They were all really, amazing learning experiences. Now the trick is, how soon do you [00:11:00] wanna see that when you’re experiencing failure?

[00:11:04] Steve Chadler: that this is good for you. That I love that que

[00:11:07] Chris Dorris: that’s so great. I love that a lot. I haven’t heard her heart articulated like that. I’m totally stealing. I love, love, love that. Because one of the things that you and I both totally agree on is, the absurdity of waiting unnecessarily. So the question is, how soon do you want to see that this adversity.

[00:11:28] Chris Dorris: Can be enzymatic utilized, right? Yeah. How soon? I love the way you’re phrasing it. How soon do you wanna, God, I’m, I can’t wait to ask my next coaching client the question when they’re having a problem. Well, how soon do you wanna see that this is actually

[00:11:42] Steve Chadler: working for you? Yes. How soon? Because, you know, people say, looking back, it was a horrible event and I was depressed about it for months.

[00:11:54] Steve Chadler: But looking back, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Now, how [00:12:00] far back do I wanna look to wake up to things being the best thing that ever happened to me? I wanna close that time period. Like today when I first, started talking to you, I said, how are you doing? And you said, this is the best day ever.

[00:12:17] Steve Chadler: So first, My first thought is I’m flattering myself and saying, oh, well thank you. but I really realized that you would say that any day, because you are in touch with your power to create context for what you’re living in. And, a lot of people

[00:12:37] Chris Dorris: aren’t most. Can you elaborate upon that? Like assume that I have no

[00:12:41] Steve Chadler: idea what that even means.

[00:12:42] Steve Chadler: Okay. So the creating the context for my day. So let’s say, I’ve got, I’ve got some sales work to do, or I’m trying to fill a group and, I lapse into the context of, oh, this is drudgery, this is a [00:13:00] grind. I’m not looking forward to it now. what I wanna be aware of that’s a context for this activity that I created.

[00:13:10] Steve Chadler: Yes. in my own divine Unlimited creativity. So I wanna step back and be aware of the creativity to be able to say, what context would I like to hold this activity in? So it might be joy. I want to have it be joyful, lighthearted fun, a way to create relationships, whether they join my group or not.

[00:13:37] Steve Chadler: give them something to smile at, send them something of value. And so now I’ve altered the context of what I’m doing. And that’s what I mean. Yeah. That’s great.

[00:13:50] Chris Dorris: You know, something that I have always wondered about and never asked you about, and I don’t know that I’ve ever even heard you speak too much about it.

[00:13:57] Chris Dorris: Maybe a little bit in, in some of your workshops, [00:14:00] I. Or your talks is that, you know, you were in the service. what branch of the service did you serve in?

[00:14:07] Steve Chadler: army. I knew

[00:14:08] Chris Dorris: that I did though. And, but you studied, are you practiced

[00:14:12] Steve Chadler: or studied? I was in psychological warfare, which is

[00:14:16] Chris Dorris: fascinating to me.

[00:14:17] Chris Dorris: Can you

[00:14:18] Steve Chadler: talk a little bit about that? Yeah. It was fascinating to me. So, we went through, this process where they. You take these tests, aptitude, things like that. And then they give you a printout card back in the days, you know, when you computers would kick out, don’t fold spindle or mutilate this card.

[00:14:40] Steve Chadler: Yeah. And at the top of my card, they handed to me after this battery of tests, it said at the top it said psycho.

[00:14:52] Steve Chadler: And I thought, of course it did. I thought, these guys are good. They are onto me [00:15:00] right away. I wonder what they’re, where they’re gonna put me. But it really, it was a abbreviation for psychological warfare. Now, since that time, they’ve ch changed the name to, PSYOPs psychological operations, because it was a little too harsh and, we had to deal with, this, the snowflakes who are now enlisting in the army and they may have been triggered by the word warfare unnecessarily.

[00:15:29] Steve Chadler: So, it was called psychological operations. That’s what it was. But what is it? Well, it’s, working with, interacting with the mind of the enemy. So, so it in includes all forms of interrogation. Wow. It includes the, flying a helicopter over. East Berlin and dropping leaflets about free [00:16:00] enterprise and democracy.

[00:16:01] Steve Chadler: Oh, wow. all kinds of, wow, all kinds of communication, with people who,in the context of the military, are considered either opponents or potential enemies of our country. So it’s, that’s what it is. So,

[00:16:20] Chris Dorris: you know, I’ve, you have coached me, on more than one occasion. Did you ever use any of those tactics?

[00:16:25] Steve Chadler: on me, yes. But I didn’t reveal them to you at the time. Cause they were, they’re so subtle and masterful that they fly in under the radar. They alter the mindset of your client without them even knowing.

[00:16:41] Chris Dorris: You know, joking aside, we do as coaches, manipulate. Well, don’t let me put words in your mouth.

[00:16:48] Chris Dorris: Let me put that into a question form. Do you think that you ever manipulate your clients? Well,

[00:16:58] Steve Chadler: yes, because [00:17:00] if you play the piano You’re gonna manipulate the keys To get a beautiful song. If I open a, the blind to let the light in, I’m manipulating the blind, I’m pulling the strings.

[00:17:13] Steve Chadler: The, so that’s a manipulation, right? So there is manipulation in that definition, in that we open windows, we open Oh wow. We let the lighting show the client what’s already there in them. So it’s not trickery like. Right. You know, sales manipulation, bait. Right.

[00:17:34] Chris Dorris: Not manipulating to get manipulating to

[00:17:37] Steve Chadler: serve.

[00:17:38] Steve Chadler: That’s right. That’s right. with full, permission and participation Yes. Of the client. So it kind of takes that negative definition of manipulation. Right? Right.

[00:17:52] Chris Dorris: So one of the intentions for even having this tough talks, blog, video, blog slash podcast series, is that it’s [00:18:00] a way for me to use technology to accomplish one of my missions, which is to share with as many people in the world as I can, the fact that A, there’s stuff you can do to strengthen the way that you use your mind.

[00:18:12] Chris Dorris: b, that well actually, a, that your life unfolds according to the way that you think. B, there’s stuff you can do to strengthen the way that you think. And then c like what? So, a question I have for you is, what are some stuff. What are some things that you do? Some practical things. Cause that’s what I really love for people who listen and watch to take away and go, oh, I got a thing.

[00:18:32] Chris Dorris: I got a thing now I’m wanna go do. It was a cool conversation, but I got a thing that I can go integrate into my life and have it be better or have me be stronger. What are some things that you do, and this could take up the rest of our whole conversation, which I’d be perfectly fine with. what are the things that you do in order to strengthen your mind?

[00:18:52] Steve Chadler: Well, as you know, coaching comes out of the world of sports. [00:19:00] It’s not psychology, although it contains the good coaching, contains the best elements from psychology and spirituality and, but, so people in the world of sports, they, they. They move their game and their skills forward out of being inspired by other players.

[00:19:27] Steve Chadler: So you, any athlete you interview, and I know you’ve worked, you’ve coached athletes, they’re quick to say who inspires them or whose game they learned from. They’re copying and they’re, and they don’t feel like, they’re copying plagiarizing. It’s part of the game is to, use that same with musicians.

[00:19:49] Steve Chadler: If I ask, Keith Richard, who his influences are, and he freely says, I copied, certain guitar styles from Muddy Waters [00:20:00] from John Lee Hooker. And, and so it’s not considered, copying, but. So, so my central thing, my thing, what I do is what I call deliberate inspiration. So most people wait around to be inspired.

[00:20:20] Steve Chadler: Oh, they go to a movie and they get really inspired, or they, someone hands them a book, and they really get lit up. Or they watch a YouTube or they watch one of your videos, you know, your tough talks and you’ve had so many great ones and they think, oh man, I’m inspired. But it’s all kind of accidental, you know, it’s all kind of hit and miss.

[00:20:45] Steve Chadler: So my thing is, I want to be systematically inspired.

[00:20:53] Chris Dorris: So IAnd, what you’re saying is you, instead of waiting for something outside of you to occur to [00:21:00] give you inspiration, you want to preemptively. Creative. That’s right. So you are inspiring yourself.

[00:21:10] Steve Chadler: That’s right. why wait, okay. This is huge. Why wait, you know, why waiting?

[00:21:14] Chris Dorris: Why wait? Waiting is the, when people ask. Well, the number one mistake that I’ve witnessed people making in my entire professional career, starting from social work up till now, is waiting unnecessarily. Yeah. Putting, you talk about this all the time. In fact, you just, you were writing about it. I don’t know if it was an excerpt from your right now book, but yesterday the email that came out for the creator group, which we’ll talk about,was talking all about that unnecessary waiting.

[00:21:37] Steve Chadler: Yeah. Yeah. That’s it.

[00:21:38] Chris Dorris: So, so let’s get back to this. So talk more about deliberate inspiration. So how do you, what are some ways that you, well, how do you create, how do you inspire yourself?

[00:21:47] Steve Chadler: Okay, so I have a morning ritual. Okay. Can you tell us what it’s so, so now I used to not have that uhhuh, so I used to just wake up, check, email, read the news, And [00:22:00] so I would wake up into stress, problem solving, nervousness, overwhelm.

[00:22:09] Steve Chadler: and I thought, hang on. I don’t have to do that. So I wanna begin my day inspired. So there are tons of things over the years that have inspired me. Certain TED talks, certain movies, books. I’ve got books that, I read five years ago that were inspirational. Well, I, so, so I have that in front of me.

[00:22:33] Steve Chadler: What inspires me. And so I wake up in the morning and a certain book I’m reading that’s very inspiring to me. I’ll read passages if there is a coach or teacher. I don’t know, did you get the video of Kobe Bryant talking? Yeah. Oh

[00:22:54] Chris Dorris: yeah. You said it to me. Yeah. Yeah. So that’s super. Or Devin, you and Devin both said it to me.

[00:22:58] Chris Dorris: Yeah. Devin Anderson. [00:23:00] No. Yeah, right. Devin Bandon sent it to you and you sent it to me. That’s right. So

[00:23:04] Steve Chadler: super inspiring to me, right? Yeah, totally. So, so now I watch it, I’m inspired, but I also save it in my, inspired filed because

[00:23:16] Chris Dorris: that’s it ins there, there’s a thing. Everybody listening to that. All right, slow down for a second.

[00:23:21] Chris Dorris: let’s do that. there’s a mic drop moment that’s a takeaway, right? And it’s, you have an inspired file. Everyone listening. Start an inspirational file.

[00:23:31] Steve Chadler: That’s right. That’s right. And it can be spiritual, it can be psychological, it can be sports or the arts, whatever. Now here’s the thing that I realized years ago and I came up with a phrase, for my coaching school and it’s called Once for Information Twice for transformation.

[00:23:54] Steve Chadler: So if I’m reading a book that inspires me, okay, so [00:24:00] let’s just say I’m grabbing the book I was reading this morning. Okay? Atomic

[00:24:05] Chris Dorris: Hamit Habits by James Clear? Yeah.

[00:24:08] Steve Chadler: Okay. So very inspirational Now, I read it once I’ve got the information right, it lands in the mind. I get insights. Wow. This is, but when I read it a second time, I know you’ve had this experience.

[00:24:27] Steve Chadler: I, everybody I know has they read something a second time and it’s like, I never saw that in there before. Right. Or it’s landing in a different place. So the Kobe Bryant video, and maybe you can share it, with your people so they can watch it, you know, along, along with this. It’ll be better than anything I’m gonna say.

[00:24:49] Steve Chadler: No, not true. It’s already been true. But so, so I watch it. I’m inspired, but now I put it in the inspired file because six [00:25:00] months from now, When I’m, when I look in the file and pull something out that I haven’t seen in a while, it hits me just as hard, you know, it, and usually it hits even harder the second time because I’m different.

[00:25:19] Steve Chadler: I’m more open. there’s been evolution in my mind over time and I’m seeing it even differently. So, So that’s, that’s the thing I do these days. That’s made a huge difference in my life. Deliberate inspiration. Start my day. From an inspired place that’s like a pre-game.

[00:25:40] Chris Dorris: So in sports. Yes.

[00:25:41] Chris Dorris: Right? Yeah. it’s like what are you doing before the game to get your head into the perfect state for performance to crush. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s, so you’re getting the serotonin, the dopamine, maybe even the oxytocin flowing, all the chemicals that are on switches for all intelligence and other brains maximizing the probability of being a badass that day, [00:26:00] couple weekends ago.

[00:26:01] Chris Dorris: Go ahead,

[00:26:01] Steve Chadler: say it. Okay. So, but it can also be, I might be overdoing the badass thing for in my life, you know, pushing too hard, coming from the ego trying to force things to happen. So my inspiration might be, learning. Relaxation learning, learning more mind, more mindfulness, a more spiritual approach to a relationship I have that’s getting edgy.

[00:26:31] Steve Chadler: Yeah. So inspiration doesn’t have to be high octane motivation. I know that’s what your whole thing is about, but no,

[00:26:41] Chris Dorris: it isn’t. It’s, that’s part of it and I’m really glad No. That it’s not my, like that’s a piece of it. Right. And I’m really glad, this is one of the things I love most about you.

[00:26:49] Chris Dorris: You’re so quick, it’s so sharp that you like, you’re like, yes. And there’s this side too, which is, it’s not all about like offensive, I mean grunt. Come on. Yeah. You know, like Tony Robbins. Woo. [00:27:00] It’s not all. And he, by the way, is not all that either. He just not anymore. Yeah. Right. He’s like a deep dude. He studied the same place I did in India at the one that’s university.

[00:27:11] Chris Dorris: he’s a deep homeboy, but, yeah, but you’re right. So when I say this is a very important clarification point. So thanks for slowing it down enough to make it, cause this is another valuable takeaway for folks listening and watching, is that when I say badass, what I w want to be clear and I will elaborate.

[00:27:29] Chris Dorris: I or I will, I’ll make this distinction moving forward. That what that means is whatever that, whatever you want that to mean. Yeah. Right? It’s like your badassery is what, however you want, what it’s like, what are you, who are you as a badass? And you can be, I am in a pure state of serenity. That’s my badassness.

[00:27:49] Chris Dorris: Roger that. So I am, so what you’re talking about is a pre-game or a morning ritual that maximizes the probability of you being who you want to be that day and how you wanna be [00:28:00] and being the creator that

[00:28:01] Steve Chadler: you’re designed to be. Well said

[00:28:07] Chris Dorris: a couple weeks ago I attended, one of the things that I do right to strengthen my mind is I attend cool events.

[00:28:14] Chris Dorris: Like these are bands, these are admission bands. For the last two, this one was Istanbul, Turkey. I was over in Istanbul a few weeks or month or so ago doing a Mind Valley event and this one is the emission band for the one I was at in LA a couple week, a couple weekends ago called Summit

[00:28:32] Steve Chadler: and see, because I thought those, were from nightclubs.

[00:28:36] Steve Chadler: You’ve been to ’em last week. Those,

[00:28:38] Chris Dorris: I keep those on the right hand.

[00:28:39] Steve Chadler: alright. Alright, go ahead. This is

[00:28:41] Chris Dorris: my deep personal investment and this is my party arm. So obviously I’m outta balance right now. Yeah. I better get party. Gotta stay balanced. So one of the presenters, in fact, the final presenter of the four day event is a guy named Louis Schwartzberg.

[00:28:58] Chris Dorris: Do you know who he is? No. No chance. [00:29:00] Okay. You will. one of the, ingredients of my inspiration file is, one of his videos. he’s an award-winning short film creator. but the common denominator, a thread through all of his material, everything he puts out is beauty of life, beauty of humans, beauty of nature, beauty.

[00:29:24] Chris Dorris: Like he creates these films that move you to tears. It’s beautiful. I was so excited that he was going to be speaking and it was at nine 30 on the last night. And there are already parties, closing parties going on. And I’m a like front and center sitting there because there’s a video. And I’ll put the link to this one in as well as the Kobe one, and it’s called Gratitude hd.

[00:29:47] Chris Dorris: So if you go to YouTube and you just Google gra or you just search Gratitude hd, it will come up. It’s six minutes long and if you don’t get a little bit choked up, you might want to go to the doctor. Huh? [00:30:00] Because I’ve, I used this in all my coaching. I use it in all my speaking. it because what it, what he, so he has this guy, this Benedictine monk from Austria named Dr.

[00:30:10] Chris Dorris: Or Dr. Brother David Stein. Rest, who has like the coolest voice in the world, narrates this spectacular,set of images from all over the world of like nature and people. and the whole theme, of course is that gratitude is available to us. In every moment. There’s no moment of our lives where we do not have access to gratitude, which is one of the highest states that we can choose to choose to experience.

[00:30:36] Chris Dorris: So I use it all the time in my, in talks and, you know, talking about state and gratitude being one of the most intelligent states to choose to create or think your way into. Afterwards, after he was done speaking,I ran up. I wanna be the first person to have a chance to talk to him. and I said to him, brother, I love you, man.

[00:30:58] Chris Dorris: And he says, we’ve [00:31:00] never met. He goes, I love you too. And it was so beautiful. We hugged it out and, and I told him how much I, you know, I use, his content. So, it is so beautiful. I’m gonna send it to you separately. Thank you. You’re gonna love it sends to Steve and I’ll put it also the link for that.

[00:31:18] Chris Dorris: So that, I love that. So an inspiration file. Are there other things, that’s other thing that could be the biggest thing or might be It’s the thing, it’s not the thing for you. I know more about you to know. That’s not the only thing. What else? What’s something else that you do to fortify yourself, to grow?

[00:31:35] Steve Chadler: I always wanna hold in mind who’s doing what I do at a much higher level. So, I love that and I wanna deliberately state stay connected to that person. So if I’m writing a book, for example, I find people who write. With power and with beauty [00:32:00] people whose writing I really admire and I immerse myself in their writing while I’m writing.

[00:32:06] Steve Chadler: So, so that, that calls me forward. Or if I’m, about to give a keynote talk or I’m teaching, at the coaching school or some other event, I find, in my file of great teachers, people who give beautiful speeches and ways that I admire the way they do it. I will watch those. And, so, so I always wanna have, where’s the higher version of what I do that, I can, channel.

[00:32:41] Steve Chadler: So what I find in our work, Chris, is a lot of people who do what you and I do, Teach speak, coach, they compare themselves instead of channeling. So Oh, that’s a

[00:32:57] Chris Dorris: huge distinction. That is so great. [00:33:00] Comparing versus channeling.

[00:33:02] Steve Chadler: Exactly. Wow. That’s cool. It’s one of my, you know, I love to do opposites.

[00:33:06] Steve Chadler: my, my crazy good book is about choices of opposites. That’s my favorite

[00:33:12] Chris Dorris: of

[00:33:12] Steve Chadler: all of your books. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. It’s a book of choices that people don’t know they have. So I could compare and most people in our work, they’ll see a great speaker or they’ll get coached by a great coach and they think, that’s not me.

[00:33:29] Steve Chadler: I can’t do that. that just, that reminds me of, what I can’t do. But people in sports and the arts, They see something, they know it’s above what they can do, but they love it because they think, man, I’m going to incorporate Yeah. Whatever I can my, and do my version of that. I’m gonna channel that person when I’m writing.

[00:33:57] Steve Chadler: I wrote a detective [00:34:00] novel, a number of years ago. And, so, so all during the time of writing that I was reading my favorite detective, novel writers, knowing they mastered, the genre, they were amazing, their dialogue, their plots. But, it, it was, being channeled, you know, it was like I was being influenced in a favorable way.

[00:34:26] Steve Chadler: So I want there to be people who do stuff better than I do. and fortunately, knowing me, there’s a wide range of that to choose from. I don’t have to go very far, but, I love that. So, So loving that someone’s better than you ever do is the a different context. We talked about that at the start, that people don’t know context can be created.

[00:34:56] Steve Chadler: They believe context is pre-existent. [00:35:00] Yeah. Like, I’m going, they say I’m going through a bitter divorce. And so they’ve heard all divorces are bitter and hard and difficult and awful, and they, and so they just assume, it’s a divorce, so it has to be bitter. But,and I had a client going through and I said, do you want it to be, because, cuz you’re creating it as that.

[00:35:23] Steve Chadler: How would you like it to be compassionate? collaborative, honoring of each person?

[00:35:30] Chris Dorris: I’m gonna play devil’s advocate, right. So, yeah. it’s, I’m gonna be that client who’s not getting it fine. All right. Like, I get, I think I get what you’re saying. I will do my best to be collaborative, but she’s out of her mind.

[00:35:42] Chris Dorris: She just wants to just stab me in the back. how’s it gonna be collaborative?

[00:35:47] Steve Chadler: Well, first of all, I recommend, dropping your story about her and giving her half a chance. Stop labeling, be open, [00:36:00] see if you can listen with understanding. Put her reality glasses on. You know, these reality glasses that, that you put on and you’re now in the jungle dress.

[00:36:11] Steve Chadler: Yeah. Virtual reality. Yeah. So, so, she sees the world her way and, given how she sees the world, she’s gonna say what she’s gonna say and she’s gonna do what she’s gonna do. not because it’s right or wrong, but because she sees things that way. So the more understanding you have of how the mind works, how people live in different realities, in many ways, the more chance you have of having it be.

[00:36:43] Steve Chadler: friendly, collaborative, honoring the other person. and the more I’m open to that, I don’t have to, require that she behave a certain way For me to be more compassionate. Wow. Right on.

[00:36:57] Chris Dorris: Yeah. Right. So, okay. So enough of that, the [00:37:00] role play that, that was cool. the point though that we’re in is loving that there are people better than you.

[00:37:06] Chris Dorris: Yeah. And the context that you can create around that is, is what I call the divinely selfish one. Meaning that it, it’s the selfish of good nature, which is everyone benefits from it. Cause it’s, it’s like you prioritizing yourself and so you’re utilizing the fact that there are people that are better than you at certain things at your craft, perhaps.

[00:37:27] Chris Dorris: And thank God for that, cuz that’s one of the most powerful ways I get to then learn.

[00:37:33] Steve Chadler: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:37:35] Chris Dorris: Yeah. As opposed to the conditioned, view or context, which is like, oh, I’m not as good

[00:37:40] Steve Chadler: as them. Right. I don’t have that. Yeah. So if I,

[00:37:48] Chris Dorris: so it’s like acknowledge, so this is actually really to take it a little deeper, one of the things I learned from Deepak Troper, who’s one of my favorites, right.

[00:37:57] Chris Dorris: who I, study and mimic. and by the way, so [00:38:00] are you fyi, I channel you constantly fyi. there’s a Sanskrit term called which translated means that thou are, or I am that right. And the practice is that when I’m out in the world and someone, anyone, strangers, Anyone influences me or I have a response to something that they’ve said or done that’s either inspired or, that I’m, if I’m turned off, in either case, I wanna recite I am that is me.

[00:38:35] Chris Dorris: And so what I’m doing is I’m practicing seeing the sameness in us as opposed to the difference in us. And I’m here, I’m a reminder of that as I listen to you right now in, the tool that you’re describing that you use is to study with gratitude and curiosity and enthusiasm. People who are doing stuff that you care about better than you.

[00:38:56] Steve Chadler: That’s it. Right? By

[00:38:57] Chris Dorris: practicing seeing, well, we’re the same. So let [00:39:00] me just mimic that. Let me learn from this person who’s who, you know, I’m connected to fundamentally. Right? Yeah. and learn and take from them. that’s really powerful. Channeling versus comparing. That’s it. Oh,

[00:39:16] Steve Chadler: beautiful.

[00:39:17] Steve Chadler: Now, and that’s open to everybody. That’s not some unique part of my identity, that’s our practice that’s open to everyone. And if it doesn’t come easily, if you have a, an entire life of, having compared yourself unfavorably, your older brother was a better athlete, your and, a new path can be channeling, but it takes practice because the old conditioning will always rise up first.

[00:39:50] Chris Dorris: Well, that is a huge point that needs to be made over and over, is that all this is practice.

[00:39:57] Steve Chadler: Yeah. It is [00:40:00] not identity. So in my clients, the one obstacle. To, a new path, more success, anything they want to create that hasn’t been there before? The biggest obstacle is identity is believing that I do what I do, my weaknesses, my lines of development that are underdeveloped because of who I am, because of my permanent hardwired personality or identity.

[00:40:36] Steve Chadler: And so people believe that their behavior flows from their, and is caused by their identity. That’s just the way I am. And they’ve had feedback on that all their lives. You know, our parents say you’re lazy, or you never did this, or you don’t like, or you never finish anything. Or, you’re not good with people.

[00:40:56] Steve Chadler: You’re not the friendliest person in the world, you know, so [00:41:00]

[00:41:00] Chris Dorris: we hear.

[00:41:02] Steve Chadler: All throughout our lives, the behavior flows from your identity, your permanent personality. So no wonder we believe that when you’re programmed, you’re gonna believe that. But the real breakthroughs for people is to wake up to the fact that’s not true at all.

[00:41:22] Steve Chadler: It’s all practice. So if you’ve not been compassionate to family members, you’re out of practice. That’s it. That’s all. It’s I do a thing in a group, where I throw somebody a basketball and I say, bounce the ball. I used to say dribble, but I get a lot of, people from England and they think that means to start drooling while they’re holding, while they’re holding the ball.

[00:41:55] Steve Chadler: I say bounce the ball better. So they bounce the ball [00:42:00] and I say, okay, I’m going to, use my psychic abilities to tell you that I believe you are right-handed. And they say, yeah. And I say, how did I do that? Well, I bounced the ball. Y you’re gonna use your dominant arm. And so I said, well, wait a minute.

[00:42:22] Steve Chadler: If I had LeBron James here, if I had Larry Bird here and I threw him a ball, I would have a 50 50 chance of guessing whether he was right-handed or left-handed, because, he has practiced bouncing with a subdominant arm enough times so that there’s no difference. And so when people guard him, he can go either way and they don’t know ahead of time.

[00:42:54] Steve Chadler: Which arm he’s gonna favor. So the real answer to changing [00:43:00] who you are in the world is to log the bounces. So how do I bounce the ball equally with my left hand is Right. You log enough bounces with the left hand so that it now rises up and matches how many times you’ve bounced there. And then you can go either way.

[00:43:19] Chris Dorris: So you’re reminding me of something else that I’ve read from you this week. One of the emails you sent out to the creator group and Isabel, in the beginning of your coaching with Steve Hardison, he was asking you to do something that you weren’t comfortable doing. And you said, I don’t know if I can do that.

[00:43:37] Chris Dorris: And his response was, well then don’t be you. Right. Be Bruce Lee or be someone who

[00:43:42] Steve Chadler: can. Exactly who do you need to be, to go talk to that intimidate, intimidating person who’s gonna hire training for the co? who would you need to be? Yeah. Because what [00:44:00] he wanted to show me was not to show up inauthentically or artificially, but to reconnect me to my creative, infinite creative capacity to create anything and everything in including who I’m being.

[00:44:20] Steve Chadler: Right.

[00:44:21] Chris Dorris: Right. So I get to choose that. And that is what you’re saying is I get to choose who I, so it’s not like the whole, that’s just how I am. Well, I don’t really, I don’t really do that Well, okay. You can, I never have. I don’t care. Right. That’s right. Like, you can choose that. You can be different than you’ve always been.

[00:44:40] Chris Dorris: It’s not how you are. Are you a fan of Bruce Lipton? Yes. Yeah. Well, he, keep, you know, his stuff

[00:44:46] Steve Chadler: is all

[00:44:46] Chris Dorris: about, you know, epigenetics, right? Yeah.

[00:44:50] Steve Chadler: Right. And,

[00:44:51] Chris Dorris: and what’s, how do you define or how would you explain to somebody what epigenetics is? Because I’m thinking of it here as we’re speaking.

[00:44:57] Steve Chadler: Well, I wouldn’t have [00:45:00] a biologically valid or intelligent way of explaining it, but it’s kind of like neural pathways.

[00:45:08] Steve Chadler: They get developed and there’s, for example, people who meditate, different parts of the brain come alive that weren’t alive before. Yeah. And so the brain, the neuroplasticity of the human brain is a biological fact. And, and his work shows that, you’re not stuck with what you used to believe. You can create a new belief or a new direction or a, a new commitment that you repeat in another direction and it becomes part of,get the bounces.

[00:45:47] Steve Chadler: Yeah, that’s right. That’s it.

[00:45:49] Chris Dorris: You change. We change. We had just change who we are. We change our biology, we change our neuro, our neurology. And he even talks about the possibility of changing her dna.

[00:45:57] Steve Chadler: Yep. And the good thing about [00:46:00] people like him and Martin Seligman, who wrote, learned optimism And developed the whole field of positive psychology, is that they’ve done the scientific backup to it. Yeah. They’ve done the research. Right. So that when you, you’re working with a skeptic who says, I’ll never change. that’s the way I am. you can talk about, that’s just not biologically true, right?

[00:46:30] Steve Chadler: That’s a superstition you’re carrying. Yeah. And so, so this coaching work is not just about, some kind of pump people up, make ’em feel good, new age psychology and all that. It really is about altering at a very fundamental level when coaching is done skillfully, seeing that people can really alter who they’re being in the world, [00:47:00] not just what they’re doing

[00:47:02] Chris Dorris: right.

[00:47:06] Chris Dorris: What are some things that you want people to know about that you’re up to? Like we’ve mentioned the creator group a few times. I also want you to talk about, so let’s talk about the creator group and where people can go learn about that or participate in that, as well as the acs, which when I participated was called Coaching Prosperity School is now,client, oh my God, what’s the

[00:47:25] Steve Chadler: a stand?

[00:47:26] Steve Chadler: My goodness. advanced client Systems and the whole, we upgraded the whole program, to emphasize the role of systems in people’s lives. And I got that, from a client of mine in Phoenix, and he’s created this amazing international. Company, but his whole culture and philosophy is based on systems.

[00:47:51] Steve Chadler: Every system is perfect for the result it gets. So if you want a different result, put in a different system. [00:48:00] What most people do is if they want a different, don’t like the results they’re getting, they blame other people. Yeah. And so company cultures, descend down to blame office politics, gossip, sneaky, power plays, because the, they don’t understand what’s missing is a system that you’ll stand by.

[00:48:25] Steve Chadler: So anyway, the creator group is a private group. It’s not open for just one

[00:48:29] Chris Dorris: second, one second. I’m sorry to interrupt you, but I just want to, what you just said, don’t. Do you have a recording or an audio somewhere out in the world on the systems? I’ll have to look. Because I know that I’ve listened to it.

[00:48:43] Chris Dorris: I don’t know if it was an interview or something, but I’ve listened to it. I’m hearing this again and it’s really important. I really, I don’t wanna share it with people and I wanna study it

[00:48:49] Steve Chadler: again. Okay. So everybody has a time management system they’re using, whether they know it or not. And the system might be, [00:49:00] I wake up and I see what I’m up against and I, and I try to do what I can with it.

[00:49:05] Steve Chadler: Okay. That’s your system. So what kind of result is that system getting you for managing your priorities right now? If you want a different result, open your mind to putting a different system in cuz that will, every system is perfect. All systems are perfect for the result they get. And, so that way inside his culture, His name was Steve Sangi.

[00:49:35] Steve Chadler: Oh, right on. He’s right down the street. Yeah, he is. if they weren’t getting the right result with a sales team or with, whatever they would look at, they would all study the system that was in place. What system are we using to quality check or to get new customers instead of who’s letting us down, who’s not performing?

[00:49:58] Steve Chadler: so blame is the [00:50:00] default, of a family and of a, that’s the default system everyone goes to. And if you wanna upgrade the system, it has to be consciously upgraded. And, people don’t see that. All

[00:50:18] Chris Dorris: right, thank you. I’m gonna see if I can find whatever it was, whether it was something, maybe some writing or if it was an audio of yours.

[00:50:25] Chris Dorris: Cause you have so much content out there and I really wanna encourage, the audience to, you know, to Google you and to just go see, cause you’ve had so, you’re so prolific. You’re more prolific than anyone I’ve ever met. And there’s so much great content that you share in the world. Your footprint is everywhere.

[00:50:41] Chris Dorris: So I, I definitely encourage people to Google you and go surf around and find stuff and you’re gonna find what sticks for you cuz you’ve got content like on everything. So, so please do that. So,

[00:50:52] Steve Chadler: so where I recommend people go yes. If they haven’t had any introduction is, the last two [00:51:00] books, right now, which is, Waking up to the power of the present moment versus living in the future and living in the past.

[00:51:09] Steve Chadler: and then the next book is called Creator and that’s about realizing how much creativity you have at your disposal that you knew you had when you were three years old. You know, three-year-olds just, they paint, they dance, they play, they can do anything. My three-year-old grandson walks up to the stove and starts turning the knobs.

[00:51:35] Steve Chadler: I can cook, let me cook this thing. And, so waking up to that. So those two things. the ACS is, not available. This is the last one. Oh, no kidding. Oh, really? It’s, wow. Didn’t know that. Yeah. Yeah. we’re. This is the final graduating class. Cool. and the creator group is a closed group. So people, but the creator group was formed, by [00:52:00] people who liked the book.

[00:52:01] Steve Chadler: So if you get the book cost you a lot less than, trying to get into the group.

[00:52:11] Chris Dorris: I’m gonna save three letters and you’re gonna tell me whether or not we’re allowed to talk about it. Mco.

[00:52:20] Steve Chadler: Well, we can talk about it, but we’re not gonna be allowed to say what it is. Well,

[00:52:26] Chris Dorris: well that sounds fun. Yeah, let’s wait.

[00:52:31] Steve Chadler: Why don’t we wait. It sounds really annoying to me.

[00:52:35] Chris Dorris: Why don’t we wait then on that? Okay. We’ll hold off. I’ll look forward to that. So, just to give a little context for the audience on what that is that I saw a post recently, you were here in Phoenix doing a coaching session with your lifetime coach, Steve Partisan, and you guys posted an image of you holding up a little whiteboard with the letters nco, just saying stay tuned.

[00:52:55] Chris Dorris: So yeah, you, it was a nice teaser. Very effective teaser. [00:53:00] Good work there, guys. So, I wanna wrap it up by, by acknowledging you, I mentioned this a little bit in the introduction, but, there’s been no one in the world as influential with respect to the development of my, profession and my ability to create affluence.

[00:53:17] Chris Dorris: And to build my practice as a speaker, I mean, as a coach, and as well as a speaker, as you. So I am constantly channeling you, and I simply want to say thank you for the profound influence that you continue to have on me, and that you continue to have on all the people that I serve.

[00:53:40] Steve Chadler: Well, I’m touched by that.

[00:53:42] Steve Chadler: your affluence is, a reflection of service. The service you provide, that’s where it comes from, doesn’t come from me. And I learned that from you.

[00:53:54] Chris Dorris: Yeah. So thank you for that, my friend. And thank you for all the great wisdom and, and [00:54:00] value and offerings that you’ve made here today, for the tough talks, tribe.

[00:54:04] Chris Dorris: I appreciate

[00:54:05] Steve Chadler: you, man. Thanks for the work you do appreciate. Keep it up. Keep it up. All right, talk soon.

[00:54:14] Chris Dorris: So I’ve, I don’t even know how many years I’ve known Steve. Like I mentioned in the conversation, I have hired him on at least two occasions to coach me, and I’ve been to his schools. I’ve seen him speak numerous times, and I’ve consumed so much of his content, which is reading his books and watching his videos and listening to his audios.

[00:54:37] Chris Dorris: And every time this time included, you know, there’s great learning for me from him and I just love that. So, you know, he is, I wasn’t blowing smoke, and I know you believe that. I was so excited that he agreed to be a guest that was a blowing smoke when I told him that he’s one of the people that I channel versus compare.

[00:54:57] Chris Dorris: and I really legitimately do, I think [00:55:00] back. I think the first time, it’s funny, the very first time I ever saw Steve Chandler was when I saw him speaking at, the Ritz Carlton here in Phoenix. And I was laughing my ass off as I was taking notes. I love his sense of humor. I, he’s sneaky freaking funny cuz he makes way more jokes than you could ever catch.

[00:55:24] Chris Dorris: Cause he doesn’t smile when he is making ’em. It’s so, so sneaky and subtle and brilliant. I’m laughing my ass off and taking notes and I think I was comparing, I’m like, oh man, he’s so much better than me. This is way better a speaker than me. However, that rapidly transformed into channeling. So, so many great takeaways like deliberate inspiration, not waiting for something to happen to inspire you, is choosing to create the context of your day, inspiring yourself, starting with the morning ritual, right?

[00:55:52] Chris Dorris: And going to active to accessing your inspiration file, which is brilliant, you know? And,and like I mentioned, there is, channeling [00:56:00] people, instead of comparing yourself to people that are doing stuff better than you, being pumped as hell about the fact that there are people out in the world, you know, crushing it at what you do, way better than you.

[00:56:09] Chris Dorris: And that’s such good news because that is just, it’s fuel for you, right? If you’ll see it that way. So that was a badass interview. I hope that you took, from it as, as much as I did. And, and thanks for tuning in again. And, as always, create miracles. Oh, by the way, before I sign off, I wanted to, mention, my daily dose list.

[00:56:34] Chris Dorris: I don’t know if I just assume that people know about this because if you’re in Tough talks, then you also know about the daily dose. But I think that’s a faulty assumption. I have a list where I send out every morning,a little nugget of mental toughness gold, and it’s called the Daily Dose Mental Toughness Tips in 30 seconds or less.

[00:56:50] Chris Dorris: So every, and that’s all it is. It’s there’s no announcements. There’s no links, there’s just a, in fact, here’s, I made a book out of the first [00:57:00] 365 of them. Here. So it’s the first year. Some of ’em are super short, some of ’em are a little bit longer, but they’re all, unless you read right illy slow, then you can read them all, you can consume each of them in less than 30 seconds.

[00:57:16] Chris Dorris: So one, here’s a really short one. Complaining releases neurotransmitters that make you stupid, period. That one. So anyway, you get that when you sign up, sign up when you’re at in your home time zone, and that way at right around 6:00 AM every single morning of the year, you’ll get one of those sent to your inbox.

[00:57:35] Chris Dorris: I encourage you to sign up for it. You can do that@christopherdoris.com slash dd christopher doris.com/dd. All right, folks. See you next time. Create miracles.

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