TOUGH TALKS: Rapid Transformational Therapy with Marisa Peer

Who says that real personal growth and healing need to be gradual?!

Well, not this guest.

Today we have World Renowned Therapist and Best Selling Author, Marisa Peer, on the show. Marisa is the founder of Rapid Transformational Therapy (RTT). RTT is a massively disruptive approach to helping people heal and grow. Because it’s – well – RAPID!

She explains to us how our suffering arises from weak thinking and the terrible stories (that are lies) that we tell ourselves all day long. AND, how to stop doing that by reauthoring profound stories and replaying those over and over to become our truths.

She also tells us about a beautiful project she started to help youth create and keep confidence for themselves (this is dear to my heart).

I am beyond thrilled to be able to share Marisa and her expertise with you today!

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Here is an AI transcript of the whole podcast:

[00:00:00] Marisa: But I could see just by her little face that having to discuss this every week was keeping it the wound open. And sometimes you want a wound to close and you want to move on. And we don’t realize often that when we keep reliving something all the time. I had a dear friend and every, she was a coach and she would tell all her guys about when she was abused by her father.

[00:00:22] Marisa: And I said to wonder, you really need to stop doing this because you’re keeping it alive. You have to move on. So that happened. It was awful. It’s all behind me now as long as we just have to move on. Human beings are not weak. They’re incredibly resilient. They’re not fragile at all. But we believe that we are fragile and weak and easily damaged by rejection.

[00:00:42] Marisa: And that just

[00:00:43] Chris: Most of us never learned how to train our brains, which is why most of us needlessly, settle, struggle, and worse sufferer. My name is Chris Doris, and I wanna make brain training mainstream. This is my series, tough Talks, conversations on Mental Toughness. I’m interviewing bad asses from all walks of [00:01:00] life on what mental toughness means to them and their unique approaches to strengthening their minds.

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[00:02:14] Chris: Goodies all you. I’ve been attempting, honest to God for years, maybe four years, maybe three, but for years to get our guests on the show that we have today. Suffice it. Suffice it to say I’m pretty damn pumped to be able to share with you Marissa Pier. Let me read you her bio and then I’ll tell you how I know Marissa.

[00:02:48] Chris: World renowned therapist and bestselling author of six books. Just go to Amazon and put Marissa Pier. And her name by the way is spelled M A R i S a M A R [00:03:00] I S A Pier, p e r. It was one of the most recognized names in the wellbeing industry and was recently awarded the mental and emotional health provider of 2022 by UK Health Radio.

[00:03:13] Chris: Over her 30 year career, she’s helped thousands of clients reframe their issues and turn their lives around. Thanks to her thanks to her unique approach, rapid transformational Therapy, or R T given its potential. Marissa took the decision in 2017 to establish the R T School and has helped to train over 15,000 therapists globally.

[00:03:36] Chris: In 2021, she created the five Day Challenge, a free resource aimed at a free resource, aimed at six to 11 year olds to help them build self-confidence and resilience. Absolutely wanna talk about that with her. That is very dear to my heart. Developed in conjunction with teachers. The challenge has been accessed by thousands of [00:04:00] schools globally and has been recognized within the education industry as a powerful wellbeing tool.

[00:04:06] Chris: This year has seen the publication, actually it’s last year, the publication of her sixth best selling book. Tell Yourself a Better Lie, I want to open that up. That’s a neat, that’s a super clever title. And she also launched Diet Less Life, which is Marissa’s unique weight management program. Not only is it designed to enable people to lose weight and keep it off her lifetime, but also maintain a healthy relationship with food.

[00:04:31] Chris: I met Marissa several years ago at a dinner in Portugal, the Algarve. We were at this amazing event called A Fest and Mutual Friends. Shout out, Heidi. Shout out Beth, thank you for arranging this dinner. And I ended up situated at the table sitting next to Marissa, and I didn’t know who Marissa, I just heard about who she was like a day prior, but I didn’t know who she was prior to that.

[00:04:57] Chris: And I looked her up and thought, holy crap, [00:05:00] she’s into some wow. I love how she’s using her life. So we ended up sitting next to each other and I don’t know if that was arranged by Heidi or Beth, or both. Thank you. If it was serendipity, thank you for it. Because we ended up having a remarkable conversation on the atrocity of how slow most therapy is.

[00:05:23] Chris: In fact, I was telling her that’s one of the reasons that I switched. I, I was formerly a licensed therapist and I became, I switched over to coaching for a multitude of reasons, and that’s one of them is that therapy is too slow for me in terms of creating. Real transformation creating amazingness.

[00:05:42] Chris: And I don’t believe that the creation of excellence needs to be gradual and neither does she. Which is why of course, she created Rapid, not gradual Trans, not G T, it’s r t Rapid Transformational Therapy. She is so smart and so fun and sneaky funny. So I know you’re gonna enjoy her.

[00:05:59] Chris: Marissa’s [00:06:00] here waiting for us. Let’s go find her. Where are you my friend?

[00:06:08] Chris: There she is. Marissa Pier. Marissa Pier. I have been looking forward to this for years. You have been high on my list of desired guests, so it is so great to see you. Thank you for making time for me and my Tough Talks tribe today.

[00:06:25] Marisa: Thank you for inviting me. I’m honored and flattered to be here. We met

[00:06:31] Chris: in Portugal.

[00:06:32] Chris: We did a handful of years ago. We were in attendance at an event together, which was amazing. And some mutual friends of ours, Heidi and and Beth MedEd Waller, they organized a dinner for us. And I don’t know if they decided to have me sit next to you if that happened serendipitously, but I’m so damn glad it did, cuz we had one hell of a cool conversation cuz I didn’t [00:07:00] realize who you were and what you’re up to when we had that dinner and you’re asking me about what I’m up to and my career and all that.

[00:07:07] Chris: And I told you a little bit about the history of my career. I’ve always been in the helping relationships. But I switched, at one point I was a licensed therapist. I went to graduate school for counseling psychology, sat through the licensure exam, did all that, and was a licensed therapist for years before switching over into coaching.

[00:07:29] Chris: For multitude of reasons, one of which we’re really gonna focus on today. Speed. I think I mentioned to you at that dinner that in retrospect, after having shifted over into the coaching career,

[00:07:46] Chris: that I got clarity that I, and I don’t feel bad about this is an observation, became clear that I wasted a lot of time for a lot of people [00:08:00] and the reason in working with them and trying to help them experience life more beautifully. And one of the reasons now that I have clarity now looking back, is that in my trading, there was an assumption there was never spoken.

[00:08:16] Chris: That healing and huge transformation need to be gradual. And that was an embedded as. Just that’s how it goes. Yeah, of course. Like corn takes this long to grow. Healing’s going to take this long to grow, and that’s when our conversation took off. And you told me all about the work that you’re up to.

[00:08:34] Chris: You created what was called rapid transformational therapy. Okay. So te let’s tell me about what started that? What was the thinking? What was, what were you up to before that and what was your thinking that had you create rapid transformational.

[00:08:49] Marisa: I’ve been a therapist pretty much my entire adult life.

[00:08:51] Marisa: I was originally going to be a school teacher, but I liked being a therapist much more. And I noticed that the people were saying, I’ve been in therapy for 10 years or [00:09:00] 15 years and today you found out something I didn’t know and I wish I’d found you sooner. And I realized that we, it’s just a belief therapy.

[00:09:08] Marisa: It’s like a belief that, we used to have when someone had a hysterectomy, we used to be a big thing and now they do it with the keyhole and you can go home the next day. And many anesthetics are different. We don’t have to relax, we’ll go home after having a baby. Whereas they used to stay in bed for two weeks.

[00:09:22] Marisa: So it’s just an old-fashioned thing. That therapy should be long cuz no one says, Hey, I’ve got a toothache. Should that be a long process? I put my back out. Now if I go to a chiropractor or a dentist or a doctor, I go here, I’m in pain. They’re gonna go, I’m gonna fix you today. I’m gonna give you some pain control.

[00:09:37] Marisa: I’m gonna fix the tooth, fix your back, set your broken leg, and I’m gonna start to get better. They don’t say, come in. And we’re gonna discuss this for a long time and build up trust. And when we have the trust, I’m gonna make you better. And I do get the trust thing, except that when you go to someone who’s good, you trust them already.

[00:09:55] Marisa: If I go to a dentist, I trust him cause I’ve got a recommendation from my friend. If I go to a doctor, [00:10:00] I would trust them because I’ve heard where I’ve researched them and they’re pretty good. I don’t need to wait to trust someone who already knows it’s trustworthy. So I think Matt’s like you say waste.

[00:10:09] Marisa: Why waste? Wait all that time to begin to trust your therapist to get better. You can get better in the first session, especially if you’re going in for things like stopping smoking or fear of flying or biting your nails or fear of elevators or fear of public speaking. You don’t need to trust the person really, cuz you’re not revealing your N M O secret.

[00:10:29] Marisa: So what I found from my clients is they were in pain, physical pain. I have irritable bowel or terrible digestion or. Migraines are emotional pain. I can’t find love. I seem to sabotage everything. And when you’re in pain, you wanna be outta pain as fast as you possibly can. So I just wanted to create a method that took my clients outta pain like that.

[00:10:52] Marisa: It was really in a nutshell, how can I get people outta pain quicker? Because if I have a headache, I don’t, I wanna just [00:11:00] get over the pain. I don’t wanna wait for the pain, I don’t wanna understand the message of the pain. I just want the pain to go away. So rapid transformational therapy is rapid, it’s transformation, it’s also permanent.

[00:11:12] Marisa: We’ve, you can fix people certainly in one session, in some cases three, but people don’t need to have a long time. In the same way that now we learn speed reading and so many things we’re doing today we live in a very fast world and we realize we don’t need that. Like even exercise.

[00:11:27] Marisa: Well said, you could get just as good results in 15 minutes. There’s an hour and a half if you do it properly. So I think the world is fast. And I think it’s a luxury to go to therapy every Wednesday for 10 years because who has got that amount of time now, and also it’s not an hour. It’s commuting.

[00:11:44] Marisa: They’re commuting back. It’s a long time, and so I just wanted to make it faster for the clients who need it to be faster.

[00:11:54] Chris: So was there an event that occurred or was it just your thinking that it doesn’t need to take this [00:12:00] long? Or did you have an observation, like a specific client that No, it wasn’t

[00:12:03] Marisa: an event.

[00:12:03] Marisa: It was client who said to me, I’ve been in therapy for 10 years and I’ve learned more in an hour with you. Or I’ve been, I worked with someone and they’d say, I’ve been seeing my therapist for a long time to deal with my lack of confidence. But today I realized what it was all about, where I’d been seeing someone for a long time working on issues and they all said the same thing.

[00:12:22] Marisa: I’ve learned more in an hour with you than I learned in all those years. Or you just got straight to the root cause and fixed it. So it was really feedback from clients that was the big thing. The feedback. For instance, I worked with a little girl who’d been abused by her grandfather, and her mother brought her in, and while the mother was talking, I could see this little girl was really upset and I said, do you wanna play on my iPad next?

[00:12:43] Marisa: Oh, yes. So I sent her into another room and I said to the mother, Her talking about it all the time is making it worse. And she said, yes, she’s has a therapist at school, but I want, I said, you need to finish this today. We need to obviously work with this little girl who’s been abused and it’s a terrible thing, but to take her out of class.

[00:12:58] Marisa: We’ll talk about the abuse. That’s like [00:13:00] a wound in nature. If I cut my arm, it will heal, but if I keep putting it open again, I’ll eventually get septicemia with this girl. I realized when I worked with her on my own, that what was damaging was having to keep repeating it every week, going over and over how she felt, and her big thing was that the grandfather got on the run.

[00:13:18] Marisa: He’d never, and he’d got away and he wasn’t being punished. I said, darling, I’m gonna tell you the truth. Your punishment in life is waking. As yourself. And when you hate yourself, that’s a big punishment. You’ve gotta wake up every morning and go to bed every night with yourself. And when you like yourself, it’s a wonderful thing.

[00:13:34] Marisa: So your granddad is being punished. He’s gone on the run, he’s hiding, he’s being punished. He’s not in jail, but he’s still being punished in a jail of his own. And that’s what she needed. She needed to know that he hadn’t got away with it and that she had done nothing wrong. And I said, you can have a beautiful body and you can sing and dance because you didn’t do anything.

[00:13:53] Marisa: He did that to you, not with you. And he will be punished. And that’s really what she needed to hear. [00:14:00] But I could see just by her little face that having to discuss this every week was keeping it the wound open. And sometimes you want a wound to close and you want to move on. And we don’t realize often that when we keep reliving something all the time.

[00:14:15] Marisa: I had a dear friend and every, she was a coach and she would tell all her clients about when she was abused by her father. And I said to wonder, you really need to stop doing this because you’re keeping it alive. You have to move on. Say, that happened. It was awful. It’s all behind me now as long as we just have to move on.

[00:14:31] Marisa: Human beings are not weak. They’re incredibly resilient. They’re not fragile at all. But we believe that we are fragile and weak and easily damaged by rejection, and that just isn’t true.

[00:14:44] Chris: No, the language that you’re using is extremely disruptive when you compare it to traditional thinking for psychotherapy.

[00:14:49] Chris: And I can hear right now, I can hear so many old school therapists saying that’s bullshit. Of course. That’s denial.

[00:14:56] Marisa: Yeah. They’re allowed to have their opinion, but, clients [00:15:00] like to be, I had a client recently who said, I’ve got social anxieties. I don’t think so. I think you’re an antisocial person.

[00:15:06] Marisa: That’s your choice. You can choose to be antisocial. You go, today, I think I’ll actually go and hang out with people. I’m in a mood to be social. Most times I’m not. But when you say I have social anx anxiety, that is a label that limits you because it’s an illness. And so often it is our language. We give ourselves labels.

[00:15:23] Marisa: I’m hypersensitive or I’m fragile. I’m. I’m an empath and some people are empaths, but I think you’ve gotta be very careful about the language you use because some of the labels we give ourselves, like social anxiety. Somebody wrote to me last week and said, I like this man at work. He doesn’t like me.

[00:15:43] Marisa: It’s affecting my mental health. I said, no it isn’t. That’s not true at all. You’ve learned someone doesn’t like you. Join the club. We all in life find that this man, he might be gay, could be married, but that’s not affecting your mental health at all. You’re just learning what rejection is [00:16:00] and people will dumb you and you’ll dump them and you’ll go on and you’ll find someone way better than him.

[00:16:04] Marisa: So stop saying that. It’s affecting your mental health cuz someone at work doesn’t fancy you. That’s silly. You’re talking yourself into making yourself ill. When we have the power to talk ourselves outta. And that’s what I love so most that every day you get a choice, talk yourself into it. Choice of out of it.

[00:16:22] Marisa: My mental health is damaged by rejection or talk myself. Hey, rejection makes you stronger. Talk yourself outta social anxiety. Sometimes I don’t wanna be around people. What’s wrong with that? As sometimes I like my own company. That’s not social anxiety. And I think we’ve done the world of great. All these labels we keep coming up with and we’ll choose to use them.

[00:16:42] Marisa: And they’re talking such into being unwell when actually you can talk yourself outta it.

[00:16:48] Chris: So obviously I’m reminded now of the subtitle of your latest book. Would you Tell Me What that is? Tell Yourself A Better Lie. That’s the title and then the subtitle is

[00:16:59] Marisa: [00:17:00] Use. You can edit. Edit your life. Edit your Life Up.

[00:17:03] Marisa: Great. Change your script, oh,

[00:17:05] Chris: here it is. Use the power of rapid traditional therapy to edit your story and rewrite your life.

[00:17:12] Marisa: Yeah. So here’s a good example, and I see it almost every day in my office. My dad left when I was two. My dad didn’t want me. I was the fifth girl, and therefore I can’t find love.

[00:17:24] Marisa: And often the truth is, your dad wasn’t very smart, but that has nothing to do with how wonderful you are. And I meet some fathers who say, with a straight face, I never saw my kid. I was so rubbish. I thought they’d be better. I thought if I left my wife, I never saw them. She’d marry somebody better than me.

[00:17:39] Marisa: And I was doing them a favor. Of course, the child doesn’t know that I was an alcoholic, so I left the family so they wouldn’t end up like me. But it’s that same thing. We tell ourselves all these lies. If I was put up for adoption, I can’t be lovable. If my dad didn’t want me. I’m not worthy of love. [00:18:00] I didn’t do well at school, therefore, I’m not smart.

[00:18:02] Marisa: And these are lies. I, if I look at a cake, I get fat. Clearly that can’t be true, but when you tell yourself a lie, your mind starts very quickly to make it real. And so if you’re willing to tell yourself a lie, You might as well tell yourself a better lie. Everything I touch falls apart. I’d lose my eyes in the back of my head.

[00:18:22] Marisa: They weren’t screwed on. These aren’t true, but if you are willing to lie, tell yourself a better lie. No one’s gonna love me. How could someone not love me? If I look at a cake, I get fat becomes, I have a fantastic metabolic rate. I saw that and Kobe was saying, oh, I’m scared to go out. And the, the, I said, why don’t you say I’ve got a fantastic immune system.

[00:18:42] Marisa: It’s so good. It does its job. And as long as I wash my hands and I’m careful I’m gonna be well because my body is a wellness making machine and I have a phenomenal immune system. And I was working with a little girl just last week who was saying, I’m scared of getting sick. I said, but every time you [00:19:00] say that, that’s where you are going.

[00:19:02] Marisa: Your mind is going into a lane. Your lane is, I’m scared of being sick. How about going into the lane of, I’ve got such an amazing amuse. It’s so incredible, so impressive, so reliable that I’m always well, because whatever you say, your mind begins to make it real. And we know that because if we say, oh, I’m so embarrassed, we might go right with them.

[00:19:22] Marisa: I’m so emotional. I Philip with tears. The placebo is a great example of the mind and body making what you think about a drug real and what you think about the drug is more effective than the drug.

[00:19:37] Chris: Are you familiar with this? Speaking of placebo or even, are you familiar with Dr. Herbert Benson?

[00:19:43] Chris: Yeah. I

[00:19:44] Marisa: love him. Yeah. I do

[00:19:45] Chris: not love that guy. Yeah. How can you not love him? They’re right. These are all these posters, these are all stories like the one you just

[00:19:51] Marisa: said. And Bruce Lipton, I love him too. He’s amazing. So many people and Bernie Siegel, the first one about how, you, your, [00:20:00] we are, we think our thoughts, but they’re often not thoughts.

[00:20:03] Marisa: They’re direct instructions to the mind. And if we knew that every thought we thought was a blueprint that the mind, body, and psyche have to make real, we’d very quickly start thinking different thoughts.

[00:20:17] Chris: Yeah. Here’s the Bruce, the Power, and I love the title, right? Biology of Belief, which is interestingly the subtitle of Herbert Benson’s, which is belief.

[00:20:26] Chris: And that’s what, and that’s why your title is really creative of the most recent book. And I wanna talk about one of the other books too. You’ve got a lot of ’em. You’ve got six best sellers. Tell Yourself a better Lie. I love that it’s very creative, fun, and accurate. Because now you’re, I know you’re using the term lie.

[00:20:42] Chris: I think you are euphemistically because you could say everything’s a lie, or everything’s your truth. It’s your call. Yeah. It’s

[00:20:49] Marisa: up to you.

[00:20:50] Chris: So if you’re gonna make up bullshit, make it amazing.

[00:20:53] Marisa: Yeah, exactly

[00:20:55] Chris: right. So what do you say to the skeptic, because this is fun for me to do, is to play, devil’s [00:21:00] advocate.

[00:21:00] Chris: I couldn’t be more in agreement with you. So it takes some effort for me to play devil’s advocate here. But when someone asks you, I’m sure I, on occasion, you might get a heckler or in a conversation with someone who just thinks you’re trying to take advantage of people by, brainwashing them.

[00:21:16] Chris: Does that occur?

[00:21:17] Marisa: Yeah. If someone says to me, how do your, if I have heard people say to me, that’s all rubbish. Your body makes your thoughts real. The guys say I feel very, so for you, a partner, if you are a man and you don’t think your body makes your thoughts real, then you must never have an erection in your life.

[00:21:30] Marisa: So that’s an interesting thing because that’s what an erection is. You think a thought and your body it real. And we, if you only could see the power of that, say things like, what I’m getting old, and now I’m forgetting. Everything is, go and hang out in a nursery school, you’ll see on every Peg forgotten lunch bar, a forgotten coat, a forgotten swimsuit.

[00:21:51] Marisa: But they’re not old. Oh, I’m tight to my age. And, we start to tag ourselves with all these beliefs. [00:22:00] And I and that and I’m not smart enough. And you gotta your beliefs make you, you make your beliefs, but then your beliefs turn right around and make you, and you have a duty to make batteries.

[00:22:11] Marisa: But belief is nothing more than a thought. You think a lot. So you get very confused with a belief is a thought. You think frequently.

[00:22:23] Marisa: So think better thoughts and then you’ll have better beliefs. Is everyone say to me, how do you feel about aging? I’m like it’s better than the alternative. Aging is a gift than everyone gets to experience.

[00:22:39] Chris: If you were gonna scoop or summarize the key, what is it that it, that makes this transformational approach, this healing approach rapid.

[00:22:50] Marisa: If you think about a tri, I was in Estonia last year teaching education all over the world, how to get children to have better high self-esteem.

[00:22:57] Marisa: And so I had a big triangle and the, [00:23:00] and it was in masking tape on the floor, and the first triangle had a flip chart. Each triangle had a flipper. There were three points, and each kid had to write out a thought they didn’t like, I don’t have any friends. I’m no good at school. I don’t look right, and then they’d have to run to the next flip chart and write out a belief, a feeling.

[00:23:17] Marisa: They felt from thinking that thought, and the feeling was I feel sad. I feel angry. I feel frustrated. Then they had to run to the final point, which was a behavior. I cry them. So I get really angry and frustrated and I shout. Then they had to run back to the thoughts they were running. Thought, feeling, behavior, thought, feeling, behavior.

[00:23:36] Marisa: Until they got very quickly, oh, it’s the thought. It all starts with a thought. Now change the thought. So the kid who said I’m not cute, said, I’m actually very cute. The kid who said, I don’t have friends and I’m wildly popular. And the kid who said I’m not smart, said, I’m so smart, I’m super smart. Then they ran to a new feeling, which is, I feel brave, I feel confident, I feel happy.

[00:23:56] Marisa: And then they ran to a behavior and the kid who said I’m not smart, said, [00:24:00] asked the teacher to help me cuz I’m smart. The kid who said I don’t have friends and I have loads of friends cause I asked people to come play with me. And the kid who said, I’m ugly, said, I like what I see in the mirror. I’m really cute.

[00:24:11] Marisa: And they got it very quickly. That was so busy saying let’s change the behavior. Let’s change. No. Change the thought. It all starts with a thought. All those songs that started the kiss. No, it didn’t. It started with a thought of the kiss. It started with a look. It started with a thought. Everything starts with a thought.

[00:24:31] Marisa: There are only two exceptions, loud noises and the fear of falling backwards. Other than that, everything begins with a thought.

[00:24:37] Chris: Wait. What? What was that?

[00:24:39] Marisa: You say? Feelings come in front of thoughts. They don’t. Apart from the fear of falling backwards and the fear of loud noises, everything starts with a thought, not a feeling.

[00:24:49] Chris: The noise and the fear of falling backwards. Backwards,

[00:24:53] Marisa: yeah. Because that’s so primitive in us. The fear you like when babies are born, you know they have that grip and they do that. The fear of falling is [00:25:00] very profound in humans because we survive by clinging on, by holding tight. So if you can understand that it all starts with a thought, then you go, but they’re your thoughts.

[00:25:11] Marisa: No one else is going, you are rubbish, you’re useless, you look terrible, you’re stupid. The way we speak to ourselves, if we spoke to our friends where it spoke to ourselves, they would be gone. So once you get it, that it all starts with a thought. Yeah. Yeah. You said what I was thinking, what was I thinking?

[00:25:28] Marisa: Because we know that I dunno what I was thinking of when I did that. So if you know it starts with a thought, then here’s the challenge. Upgrade your thought. I might say, Hey, my computer’s got a bug and I’ve got some IT guy coming. He’s gonna upgrade it for me. He’s gonna upgrade my software.

[00:25:44] Marisa: Put this also needs upgrading this software. We have to upgrade our thoughts like we upgrade our computers and our phones and get rid of the bugs. Cuz the bugs are just your thinking, but they are your thoughts. You own them and you can change them. [00:26:00]

[00:26:02] Chris: When someone says, I get that, I hear that, but it’s just so hard.

[00:26:08] Marisa: It’s not as hard as holding onto them, and you’re holding onto those thoughts because so many thoughts are old. You know that I’ve heard this thing. You more like to get abducted by Marsh than find love over 50. If you are a woman, you can’t get pregnant. Once you’re 35, your fertility falls off a cliff.

[00:26:24] Marisa: Men don’t like success. Tell that to Barack Obama. Men only like beautiful women. Tell that to Prince Charles. He left Diana for Camilla, and that is, people don’t like that, but it’s a great love story. So you know all, if you have a thought and you say it’s hard, go back and say, why is it hard? I always do this.

[00:26:45] Marisa: Who told you that thought? Probably your grandmother. Where did she get that thought from? Who told you? Why are you believing a thought? That isn’t true. It’s someone else’s thought. So you’ve got to challenge your thoughts and upgrade them because[00:27:00] here’s a thing. Now you can only make money if you’ve gone to university or you come.

[00:27:05] Marisa: That’s not true. There are people all over the world coming from nothing who’ve inve. Who would’ve thought you could do a makeup tutorial on YouTube, but putting on mascara and become a millionaire? Who would’ve thought you could design trainers or eyebrow? Or self flavored water and become a millionaire.

[00:27:22] Marisa: So a lot of the things that we believe they’re not even true. They’ve often never been true. They said You haven’t been true for a long time in this country. When I was getting married, I do remember going to get a wedding dress and thinking, I know I’m 50. And they said, and I said, I don’t want it, this meringue.

[00:27:38] Marisa: I said, our biggest market now is women in their fifties getting married for the first time. I was actually. In a clinic with somebody who’s having a termination. There was a lot of teenage girls and wo women in their mid forties. I said, oh mothers says, no, that’s not their mothers.

[00:27:53] Marisa: That’s our second group. The highest group of terminations is women of 45 after teenagers, cuz they [00:28:00] think they can’t get pregnant because they’re told, oh, it falls off a cliff and it doesn’t. All these things that we believe we have to challenge them and we forget that, people went across America on a wagon train.

[00:28:10] Marisa: Women in Ireland had 15 babies. People lived outdoors on the malls with no electricity or sanitation. But they survived. And we think we are gonna fall apart because someone dumped us. We have to really forget that we are weak. Remember that we’re actually incredibly strong and we can cope with a

[00:28:28] Chris: lot.

[00:28:30] Chris: When you were talking about the work that you did with the children and the triangles, mask and tape and the thoughts. Behaviors, or thoughts, emotions. Behaviors.

[00:28:37] Marisa: Yeah. Thoughts, feelings,

[00:28:38] Chris: behaviors. Yeah. Yep. Things feel so right. So that reminded me of my training was in cognitive behavioral therapy.

[00:28:46] Chris: So what would you say are fundamentally, what’s the difference or differences between C B T cognitive behavioral therapy and rapid transformational therapy?

[00:28:56] Marisa: For instance, let’s imagine you have a fear of mice and you’re going to C B T. They [00:29:00] might want you to draw pictures of the mice and talk about the mice and desensitize you to the mouse.

[00:29:06] Marisa: It takes a long time. Whereas in hypnosis, you can just begin to believe that you like mice, and mice are absolutely fine or not. Like many of my clients have a fear of snakes. I go, look, it’s okay to have a fear of snakes. You don’t have to hold one. But the opposite of love is not hate. It’s indifference.

[00:29:24] Marisa: So if I saw a rat or a mouse or a spider in my house, I’d just be indifferent. In fact, when I was staying in Africa, sleeping in a cave, it was actually a very funky cave hotel and there were all kinds of insects running up the walls. And I frogs, but it didn’t bother me because in my house and there’s a frog on the wall, it probably would bother me a lot because it would be a different perception.

[00:29:46] Marisa: But you just, you can do anything rapidly. The mind changes really fast. For instance, if you’ve, have you ever eaten something that made you violently sick that you can’t eat ever again to this day? Is there anything you [00:30:00] can’t eat? No, wouldn’t eat. But maybe I can’t eat liver. I can’t eat in a fish. I can’t eat something I was made to eat at school.

[00:30:08] Marisa: Cuz in that instance, when you’re eating that makes you sick, you say things like never again. And your mind picks it up. So what would I say about C B T? I would say this the way you feel about everything, and I do mean everything comes down to two things. The pictures you make in your head and the words you say to yourself.

[00:30:30] Marisa: But those pictures and words are yours to change. I had a client who said, I can’t merge, I can’t go. I can’t merge on the freeway. It’s impossible to merge. So I have to go on B rows. It takes me forever to get anywhere because I’m unable to merge. But that’s the beliefs of the pictures he was making were about not merging and kiting cars and being killed.

[00:30:53] Marisa: When he began to change that around seeing, merging as something that he was very skilled at, it became easy. So when you’re [00:31:00] driving a car, Whatever you’re thinking, you’ll get more of. I’m gonna crash. This is dangerous. I can’t see properly, it’s raining. Or, I’m a very skilled driver. This is not the best condit.

[00:31:11] Marisa: I’ve got this. I’m driving slowly. I’m driving carefully, and I’m totally safe on the road. So whenever you’re in a situation, remember you’re responding to the pictures and words you are constructing. Change them and it changes everything.

[00:31:27] Chris: So does rapid transformational therapy always fundamentally include hypnosis?

[00:31:32] Marisa: Yeah, it always, it’s it’s hypnosis. It’s hypnosis. I can do it without, and I certainly have, but I like to use hypnosis because hypnosis is so powerful at going back to why you do what you do. People come in and say, I dunno what’s wrong with me, I guess I’m just messed up. I keep sabotaging, I procrastinate.

[00:31:53] Marisa: I said, but that’s nothing more than the fear of not being enough. That’s all that is. If I’m not enough and I sabotage my [00:32:00] plans, I can’t fail If I procrastinate, say I could have done that, but I just missed the boat cuz of the procrastination. So it’s blaming something else. It’s what I call the unspeakable truth.

[00:32:10] Marisa: Avoiding the fact that you think you’re not enough. And so in R tt, instead of going round and round about let’s look at the procrastination. So let’s look at the set. We go right back to what I call, what lies beneath the source of your issues is that you don’t feel enough. You’re in very good company if you feel like that, because most of us feel like that to a degree.

[00:32:32] Marisa: And not being enough runs everything. It runs overeating, binging, compulsive shopping, hoarding, drinking. When you’re not enough, you always need more. And when you know you’re enough, it’s a whole different thing. So we go very quickly to why do you think you are not enough? Where does that come from? And we fixed that, which is the umbrella that all the other things are under.

[00:32:56] Marisa: The fear of public speaking, the fear of being [00:33:00] rejected. And when you fix, not enoughness, you fix everything. That’s why I have all these bracelets that say, oh, falling apart now that say I’m enough. So I wear them all the time to remind me and everyone else that of course you’re enough. No babies boarding.

[00:33:14] Marisa: Don’t look at me. I’ve got fat legs, no hair, no teeth. Babies know they’re enough. It’s really fat. Stomach here in this crinkly bark with loads of wrinkles and I’ve seem to have triple thighs. That’s so great. Triple knees they in their nakedness with no hair, no teeth, knees and thighs and wrinkly skin that they don’t fit into think they’re gorgeous.

[00:33:37] Marisa: It’s, Us that give people a message that you’re not enough and magazines. And so you do a lot of damage cuz this comparison, comparison is the thief of joy. And we now even, we compare ourselves. Harrison is

[00:33:51] Chris: Thief of

[00:33:51] Marisa: Joy. Yeah, really. I think it was Ralph Walter Emerson who said that it wasn’t original quote from me.

[00:33:57] Marisa: So I can’t claim that I’m

[00:33:58] Chris: gonna give you credit for it here. [00:34:00]

[00:34:00] Marisa: But we live in a world where we compare ourselves all the time. We get up and we look at the phone. How many followers have I got? How many likes have I got? And then we switch. We switch on the computer or the television or the radio. We go past Hoardings and we live in a world of constant comparing ourselves.

[00:34:17] Marisa: And yet we’re so unique and it’s done so much damage. There are more kids with eating disorders, self-harming and feeling depressed at the age of 10. Than ever before because of this. And schools do it too. Schools have this streaming. When I took my little girl into class one day, she was only five and her name is Fedra.

[00:34:37] Marisa: And she said, mommy, you see that boy? He can write his name in a box. And I can’t say darling, his name is Sam. It’s just s a m. Your name is Fedra. The P goes out, the H goes out, the D goes a long name. It’s a beautiful name. And when you’re 10, who cares? We’ll bring your name. You’re an artist. But I really minded that school at five, I got Get your name in a box.

[00:34:58] Marisa: And they had a girl in her class called [00:35:00] DM An Tops. That poor kid, I don’t think she could ever get her name in a box, but that’s what we do. Even at five, we’re comparing. Your brother’s a good eater. Your sister could read when she was five. Your sister never made a mess like that. And we forget that.

[00:35:15] Marisa: Kids are unique. We shouldn’t compare them or indeed ourselves to anyone. For social media compares this. We have sites. We can, people can rate you, rate me on this site and it damages people so much.

[00:35:28] Chris: Let’s focus for a moment on something that comes up a lot in my world, in serving people.

[00:35:35] Chris: A question that I ask often is, where does confidence come

[00:35:39] Marisa: from? It’s a great question because there’s the confidence of what I can do. I’m really good at cooking or I’m really good at writing, I’m really good with animals. And then there’s the confidence of am I a good person? And confidence comes from really liking yourself.

[00:35:57] Marisa: If you don’t like yourself and believe you [00:36:00] are worth it, whatever you’ve got. Doesn’t matter. Confidence. Can you wake up and go, I’m a good person. I have a skill and I’m giving something good to the world. I think it’s why so many people were famous or unhappy because they feel their world is ous. In a recent, not recently, we trained actually a very famous fashion designer to become an rtt.

[00:36:20] Marisa: They said it was such a shallow world. I was just designing clothes. It costs a lot of money, but I never went to bed and I thought, I feel great about myself because who cares next year? Nobody cares about that stuff. And he said, but when I worked with you and I hypnotized the little kid that had night terror and fixed me, he said, I said, that’s me for the rest of my life.

[00:36:39] Marisa: And confidence. Often when you are a kid, it comes from having something that you’re good at. So if you can sing or dance or write or you are good with animals, you have that sense of, oh, I can do something and now I feel worth it. But I think we’ve lost so much of that because we’re so busy.

[00:36:57] Marisa: Confidence now is entirely, but what you look like, [00:37:00] what you wear, the label you have, and it’s, we’re doing a terrible thing to the next generation by not mainly confident who they are, but it’s all about what do you look like? That’s the rapid. Even if you look amazing, you can’t keep that eventually.

[00:37:14] Marisa: It’s like being in a taxi with a meter running it. It goes away. And so people always wa wonder why someone who’s gorgeous would lack confidence. But you gotta feel you are doing something meaningful and that helps you have con meaningful could just be whether you are talking to your neighbors or helping kids or rescuing stray cats.

[00:37:35] Marisa: I think you need to feel that your life has meaning and purpose. And when your life has meaning and purpose, you’ll have tremendous confidence. And if it doesn’t, then it all becomes harder because you think why am I here? What’s the point?

[00:37:54] Chris: So someone who is doing meaningful work [00:38:00] to the onlooker. Yeah. Okay. But they have shitty stories about themselves. Yeah. Won’t be confident.

[00:38:11] Marisa: No. You see a lot of people in the healthcare practice that are not confident because that’s that imbalance. They’re giving what they lack. And many people that go into nursing and the caring profession give what they don’t have.

[00:38:23] Marisa: It’s I don’t have a lot, but I’ll give it. I don’t have kindness, but I’ll give it. And so that’s that imbalance you’re giving the thing that you need so much yourself. And that comes back again to that feeling of worth it because if you are worth it, you can give and receive. Every time you breathe, you give and receive.

[00:38:39] Marisa: You can’t just give and not receive or not give. Many people have an imbalance. They’re very good at giving, but very bad at receiving cuz it comes, cuz that comes back to I’m not worth it. So you really have to spend a little time, not a lot, saying, I’m worth whatever you want in life.

[00:38:54] Marisa: Whether it’s love. Success. You have to sit down and sound worth it. [00:39:00] People are always surprised that people reject love. If they feel unworthy, they reject wealth. If they feel unworthy. 70% lottery is totally bankrupt in three years. There’s the proof of you don’t feel worthy of love or wealth. You will reject it because the mind that most VEing thing about the mind is it wants to always go back to what it already knows.

[00:39:20] Marisa: It wants to stay with a familiar and avoid the unfamiliar, but you can make anything familiar. If you stick of silicone on your finger to shove it in your eye can make that familiar every day. Although it seems like the weirdest thing in the world, the first time you put that plastic in your eye doesn’t like it.

[00:39:36] Marisa: But because our mind is hardwired and super coded, To go back to what is familiar and known while going away from what is unfamiliar and unknown. Then we have to choose why don’t I make praising myself familiar? Why don’t I make liking myself familiar? Why don’t I make being confident and telling my things that would make me confident, familiar?

[00:39:57] Marisa: Such as I’m a good person. [00:40:00] I’ve got something interesting to offer the world, I know that works as we’ve currently got it in about 1600 schools and all the schools using this say it’s made such a difference to the

[00:40:09] Chris: children. I was just gonna, so you just beat me to it or I was just gonna ask you that you so say, please say more about that 1600 schools are doing what.

[00:40:18] Marisa: So we created the thing called the Five Day Challenge. It was very much the triangle, but it was also taking kids from, I can’t do, I can make them believe. They had a cheerleader in their head and the cheerleader whooped and told them they were great because most kids learn to have a critic. I can’t do that.

[00:40:34] Marisa: I’m scared. What if I do that and I fail? So we were learning teasing to shut down the critic, but have a cheerleader who, and a cheerleader is one thing to cheer you even on your worst day. Every school we put it in said, this is amazing. This is changing the children’s self-esteem. And as a result, their academically doing better, but emotionally that there’s so much better bullying is not existing.

[00:40:59] Marisa: And [00:41:00] now we’ve got more and more schools that are taking this on. And it’s probably my proudest thing. That’s the thing I like the most, working with children. What is it called? It’s called the five. It’s called the Five Day Challenge. If you want it, just go to or indeed marissa and ask for the five day challenge.

[00:41:17] Marisa: We’ll give it to any school or we give it to scouts and anyone who’s working with children completely free of charge there’s no charge for it. Wow.

[00:41:26] Chris: That is fantastic.

[00:41:28] Marisa: Yeah. It really, it is such a wonderful thing

[00:41:30] Chris: to you. I’m so happy that this came up because I’m constantly being asked what is there for kids, because when I was in school, one of the things I comment on, you’re making my day right here, my friend, because one of the things I talk about a lot is that we all had gym class.

[00:41:45] Chris: Oh, yes. But we didn’t have what you’re describing. Yes.

[00:41:50] Marisa: Yeah. Teachers, were the best one in the world. We all talk about how. Mold the individual child, but they really don’t on the whole, they’ve got a lot of kids and they want to get the [00:42:00] sacs and the high grades, we had a lot of press last year about the difference this was making.

[00:42:05] Marisa: I’ll send you, I’ll send you the clip of the award we went up for this. But yeah, please do. It’s really interesting. We’ve got it in quite a lot of schools in America, uk, and Europe, so we’re very proud of it.

[00:42:15] Chris: I wanna help

[00:42:16] Marisa: you with that. Thank you. I’d love you to Okay.

[00:42:19] Chris: We’ll figure out how I can best

[00:42:20] Marisa: I’ll send you, I’ll send you the video, make you cry when you see all these children with their cheerleader, but

[00:42:24] Chris: I can’t wait to see that. Thank you. And

[00:42:27] Marisa: share that. Thank you. I’d love you to help me. My mission has always been to put myself out of business by making Next Generation.

[00:42:37] Marisa: I love that. So I’ll send it to you. That’s

[00:42:40] Chris: gonna be tough for you to do because you got a whole lot of business going on. You got so much going on. You must be one higher energy woman because I look at your schedule. Good. Look. By the way, how is it possible that you published three books in three months?

[00:42:56] Chris: In 2000, I think it was 17, October, November, December.[00:43:00]

[00:43:00] Marisa: It doesn’t take long to write books. You know this thing about a year. I could write a book in six weeks, probably less. The Harder with a book is the work you have to do to get it published. That’s much harder. You can sit down and write a book if you have discipline.

[00:43:14] Marisa: You know what you want to write about when your book is finished, then the real work begins. All what you have to do to get it in the best sellers and to keep it there. That’s really time consuming. So I think I wrote, I had one book in the back of my mind all the time. And so when I wrote one, I was already was working on the other one and the other one because cuz I’m writing, not writing fiction, I’m writing self-help books.

[00:43:35] Marisa: It’s quite easy to put it down on paper. Oh

[00:43:38] Chris: good. Do you know Byron Katie?

[00:43:40] Marisa: I do. Yes. I like her very much. And I like also Brene Brown. I think they’re both amazing women. Yeah. Yeah. You and Bob Robins. I love her too. I love the fact there’s so many women now doing really good stuff.

[00:43:52] Marisa: Gabby Bernstein’s another one in the person. Cause before it was all men and now there’s some great women out there doing amazing things. [00:44:00] But Byron Katie I think is remarkable. She’s a wonderful woman. I love her message cuz she’s called it the work. Cause people say, oh, I got the secret. I thought I could just sit there like that and go, I’m and a million dollars would land in my lap.

[00:44:10] Marisa: No. It’s what you have to do the work. It’s like me saying, Hey, I’ve got an idea to write a book. But there’s a lot of work involved and I think that’s another thing that’s gone wrong. We’ve taught people who don’t have to do any work just manifest. If you wanna manifest love, unless you wanna find the guys that living your groceries and hook up with them, you’ve gotta get out of the house.

[00:44:29] Marisa: You gotta get off the couch and saying, I wanna manifest a great body. We’ll go to the gym and eat better food. So I like the fact she called it the work cuz it’s not hard work, but there is some work involved. Even if it’s nothing more than writing all over your house, I’m enough and saying it every day.

[00:44:47] Marisa: That’s a good thing to do.

[00:44:49] Chris: That’s why I’m so excited that you’re teaching youth from very early ages. Yeah. The work. Yeah. Which after you practice it is the [00:45:00] way, it’s not the work anymore, it’s just the way, also when

[00:45:01] Marisa: you do what you love and you love what you do, which I do, I’m so lucky. I love what I do and it doesn’t feel like work.

[00:45:07] Marisa: It’s never I work very hard. But it doesn’t feel like hard work because I love it and I feel so lucky, but we’re all supposed to find out what we’re meant to do and be good at it. And that’s another thing that should be teaching in schools. What you are meant to do. Lies behind is gonna what you love to do.

[00:45:23] Marisa: If you love animals, be a vet. If you love Gar, Joe Malone was forever making little perfume bottles when she was 10 or 11. I was writing stories. My daughter was making clothes for her toys that have Kleenex, and here we are, Joe Malone’s a perfume. And I’m, I write and my daughter’s got a very successful fashion line because, you know that what, that’s what school she’d be doing saying, what are you good at?

[00:45:50] Marisa: And let’s develop, rather than, let’s make you all learn French and Spanish and math. Some kids, it just puts out their fire and it’s not a [00:46:00] good thing.

[00:46:00] Chris: Oh, it’s a horrible thing. Funny, I think about, in high school I had a guidance counselor. Giving me like the strong interest inventory guiding me towards bullshit, I couldn’t care less about.

[00:46:12] Chris: Yeah, of course. As opposed to asking the questions like that. What do you love?

[00:46:15] Marisa: Yeah. What do you love? Deepak is,

[00:46:17] Chris: I love Deepak Chopra. I do too. And love of his, I love all his crazy quotes, but he said, trust the organizing intelligence inherent within your passions.

[00:46:27] Chris: Yeah.

[00:46:28] Marisa: And when you do what you love and you’re good at it you help the whole world. There are so many people who’ve come up with extraordinary ideas cuz of something they loved, like Royal Dar whose son was run over and he developed this stent that you put that’s been used ever since. But that was a passion for him.

[00:46:45] Marisa: There are many people who’ve passionate and taken it to market and created amazing things for other people by doing what they love. Look at JK Rowling, the joy she’s given kids who love reading just because of her, cuz she wrote about wizards and,[00:47:00] making kids love reading is something that should never be minimized cuz that’s a massive thing.

[00:47:05] Chris: So you, in 2017 you decided to start training people in two

[00:47:10] Marisa: 15? Yeah, 2015.

[00:47:12] Chris: Oh, ok. I read. Okay. Yep. So for eight years you’ve been trained that and if I also remember or read it properly, then your rapid transformational training is also fairly rapid.

[00:47:23] Marisa: Yeah, when I say to the, our first class was in December, so it was really 2016, but we trained 15,000 therapists all over the world.

[00:47:30] Marisa: Some of them been on television. I’ve written books and it’s been amazing. We’ve got done amazing work with infertility, with bullied kids, with people who feel like they have got nothing to offer the world, been invited, lots of weddings and christenings. Cuz working with someone who can’t get pregnant and getting them to have a baby is such an amazing thing.

[00:47:53] Marisa: You can’t find love, realize that love is all around you. You just gotta be open to it. [00:48:00]

[00:48:00] Chris: So if people want to do the rapid transformational healing work, if people want to get trained to be an R T therapist or if people want both and they go to Marissa Pier

[00:48:16] Marisa: dot. Or they can go to Marissa is where you find out, where I’m speaking, what I’m doing.

[00:48:22] Marisa: And we have a lot of free audios. We’ve got audios on love blocks, wealth blocks, they’re all free. Take as many as you like. So that’s marissa But if you’d like to train to do what I do, because it is the best job in the whole world and you don’t need to have any background in therapy or you don’t need to degree, go to and you can find other, I find a therapist like me in your area, cuz we have 15,000 now all over the world.

[00:48:49] Marisa: If you want to train in it or tell you how you can train live or online in,

[00:48:55] Chris: Again as I listen, I love what you’re saying and I can [00:49:00] also hear I, someone came after me at one point in my career for using the term psychology in my company name because I didn’t, I, cause I bailed on my doctoral program cause I realized I didn’t need it.

[00:49:09] Chris: And you use the word psychology or psychologist unless you had or licensed. Darris performance psychology and people came after me because of that came after me. So I can imagine you must hear from time to time, and I can also imagine you can’t give a half a damn about it, about say, like you just said, you don’t need a background in psychology.

[00:49:30] Chris: You don’t need a degree and I can train you in six months. In six months.

[00:49:34] Marisa: Guilt people, yes, we do get people. There’s certainly been some really venomous responses. Someone actually wrote, you said the words rapid in therapy should never be in the same sentence. But I said, but who told you that? And why do you believe that’s true?

[00:49:48] Marisa: But it doesn’t bother me enough because every day I see the great work my students are doing, see the great work I’m doing. I see the fact that we’ve got this in schools and hospitals. We’ve got [00:50:00] many doctors and guys who really believe in us and support us and that beautiful forwards to all my books.

[00:50:06] Marisa: So there’s always gonna be some people who doubt it because they don’t understand or because they’re just caught in that old thing and say to someone, how do you feel every week? And that I don’t really mind. I mean there are somebody who are rather vicious, but who wakes up in the morning and says, you know what?

[00:50:22] Marisa: My life is so great. Let me open my computer and diminish somebody. I would, I have most people who are happy are too busy doing good work to worry about that. And also, I remember the guy who. Create who discovered Septin and he was thrown under the bus by his colleagues. And the first guy who wrote Sugar Blues was also thrown under the bus.

[00:50:39] Marisa: First they hate you, then they join you. Then they, like you, we’ve won a lot of awards. And, but the best thing is all those children, I got into bed one day and I thought, how many kids is that in 1600 schools? I couldn’t possibly work it out, but it made me feel really good. And you don’t need a degree to help children feel good about themselves.

[00:50:58] Marisa: And [00:51:00] also, if I, if you go to the doctor and say, Hey, I’ve got irritable bowel, they’re trained to look for the medical reason. And we know that 70% of people turning up at the doctors have real problems caused by not diseased organs, by diseased thinking. And with the vessel one, the doctors aren’t trained to look at disease thinking, but people like me are.

[00:51:19] Marisa: So when, if you go say, I’ve been trying to have a baby for 10 years, nothing’s happening. They might send you for I V F, but we go back and have a looker. What is your belief about having a baby? Oh, it ruins your life and you get postnatal depression. And of course the mind is always listening to your thoughts, but most doctors who are good people haven’t got the time for that.

[00:51:40] Marisa: But they’re not trained. They’re trained to look for the medical reason you have. It’s like depression. Every doctor will tell you with a hand on their heart. You cannot look in someone’s head and go, oh, you’ve got you are lacking something. You haven’t got enough serotonin. You’ve got this chemical imbalance.

[00:51:52] Marisa: There is no way to test for chemical imbalance in the brain, ever. And that was invented by drug companies who wanted [00:52:00] you to take lots of medication. And it’s such a shame that we brought into that. I’ve got the depressed gene or the alcoholic gene. Obesity gene. We don’t even know if those genes exist, but we’re telling people they have them without any research to say whether that’s true or not.

[00:52:19] Chris: Before we wrap it up, oh, you’re not. Gosh, you have so much going on.

[00:52:24] Chris: You’re gonna be in two places at once. Tell me how you pull this off. You’re going to Amsterdam next week? Yes. The time of this recording we’re recording on April 11th. But, and you’re, because you’re doing an R T training in

[00:52:37] Marisa: Amsterdam. RTT training in Amsterdam starts on eighth, April the 17th. So I’m going to Amsterdam and then

[00:52:43] Chris: there’s the expanded states of Consciousness World Summit.

[00:52:46] Chris: Was that some, and speaking of Deepak, he’s in that also.

[00:52:49] Marisa: Yeah. I’m going to Zurich on the 24th, but that’s only a hop from Amsterdam. In English an hour I’m going to Zurich. So I’m gonna Amsterdam Monday to Friday, then Zurich on the follow to do a talk, and then [00:53:00] Dubai and then Aha. But it’s fun.

[00:53:02] Marisa: I love all the traveling. Yes. Lucky. Yeah. So all time. We’re so lucky we get this exciting life. I don’t have to do it. It’s a choice, but I love it.

[00:53:11] Chris: Clearly. Clearly you do, and you know your work. I wanna acknowledge you sincerely for I, I think that you’re responsible for a quantum leap in the evolution of the work that you and I are both committed to.

[00:53:24] Chris: So thank you for that.

[00:53:25] Marisa: Thank you. That’s quite a compliment. I’m definitely going to accept it. My dad would be so proud.

[00:53:30] Chris: Good. So you, you do have all these great things going on. I wanna make sure we direct people to find out all about them. And the best places than are marissa That’s more for all the events that are coming.

[00:53:42] Chris: What is happening in Iha?

[00:53:43] Marisa: Oh, in Abitha. I’m doing a five day retreat. I did it before. This is an amazing place called Six Senses, and it’s a, it’s five days to work on your physical health, your mental health, your emotional health. It’s, I did it once before and it was amazing. I loved it.

[00:53:57] Chris: You couldn’t find a more beautiful place to do that [00:54:00]

[00:54:01] Marisa: There.

[00:54:01] Marisa: Six Senses is stunningly beautiful. Reminds me

[00:54:04] Chris: of when I see the picture on the website. You know what, it reminds me of what the place, where

[00:54:08] Marisa: we. Yeah. Portugal is also

[00:54:11] Chris: beautiful. It looks like the algarve the same it just looks like the similar

[00:54:13] thing.

[00:54:14] Marisa: Same beautiful places in the world. And I feel very fortunate.

[00:54:17] Marisa: I’ve got to see a lot of plenty where I haven’t seen yet, but it’s so great to have a job where you get to travel and meet people and in beautiful places.

[00:54:26] Chris: How do people find, if someone wants to find a local RTT trained therapist, how do they do

[00:54:30] Marisa: that? Just go to and put in a therapist.

[00:54:36] Marisa: We’ll tell you who we’ve got in your area. And they do live sessions, but also online. They don’t have to be in your area. I You don’t have, okay. Oh, not belief that, therapy’s better face to face. That’s not true. I see people all over the world on Zoom and it’s amazing. It’s just as good. But the thing is, when therapy was invented, people didn’t have phone therapy.

[00:54:53] Marisa: Right? Computer therapy. And now they do, especially for teenagers. They prefer it because they’re in their room, [00:55:00] on their computer. That’s their world. They like it more.

[00:55:03] Chris: Did we miss anything? Is there anything else that you want people to know about what you’ve got going on? I

[00:55:09] Marisa: don’t think so. Let me just bear my nose.

[00:55:10] Marisa: Hold on.

[00:55:12] Chris: Because there’s so much. But again, If you’re interested in doing the work or being trained in the RTT work,

[00:55:19] Marisa: We do have, I’m If you want to believe you’re enough, you go, I’m We’ll give you some books and stuff.

[00:55:30] Marisa: You rock. Thank you very much. Thank

[00:55:32] Chris: you. Thank you very much for sharing your wisdom and thank you for the way that you commit for what you’ve committed to use your life to do, to serve humanity in a profound way. And your fun and funny and wizardly smart and very.

[00:55:48] Marisa: Thank you. It says in, I think in the Koran and indeed the Torah, when you change one person’s life, you have meaning and purpose and so that’s all you have to do, change one person’s life.

[00:55:58] Marisa: But when you do therapy, you [00:56:00] can change millions of people’s lives and it’s a wonderful thing to do. Is that something you go to bed and you wake up feeling good because we are doing something that matters. Last week I was, my husband and I were having lunch with someone who was so wealthy that we, they weren’t have dinner with their bodyguard.

[00:56:15] Marisa: He was saying, wow, that level. I said, yeah, but they don’t do what we do. We change people’s lives. They have phenomenal stratospheric wealth, that doesn’t make you go to bed at night and wake up feeling amazing. But what we do, Really does.

[00:56:28] Chris: Yes. In fact it, it sure does. So thank you for that and thank you for making time.

[00:56:32] Chris: I know how absurdly busy you are. This has really been a pleasure and I’m so excited to share you with my tough talks tribes. So thank you my friend, and I look forward to running into you and John again somewhere on this planet.

[00:56:45] Marisa: Yeah, I hope so. Hope it’s very

[00:56:46] Chris: soon. Yeah, me too. Thanks

[00:56:48] Marisa: so much, Marisa.

[00:56:49] Marisa: Thank you. Take care. Thanks a lot. Bye.

[00:56:54] Chris: Yeah, I think it was, I think it was about, it was either three or four years ago, probably, [00:57:00] I don’t know, three or four years ago when Marissa and I sat down and had that dinner in Portugal. And I haven’t had any contact live with her since then. That’s not true. I did, I briefly saw her in Istan Bull Turkey at another event.

[00:57:16] Chris: But we didn’t hang out. So this is the first real, Authentic contact I’ve had with her since the evening that I met her. And now I remember why I, love her so much. What an amazing human, and I meant what I said there at the end about her being responsible for a massive contribution to a quantum leap in the evolution of

[00:57:39] Chris: the helping professions or actually in her bio. That’s not, she doesn’t call it the, they call it in her bio. I think I said it in the intro. I believe wellbeing in the that’s it. I love that. I like that. That’s really great. The, and the wellbeing industry. She is responsible for quantum leap in the acceleration [00:58:00] rate right at which people can heal and not just heal, but experience life powerfully and beautifully.

[00:58:10] Chris: And I’m all about that. And God, I’m so glad that it came up the five day challenge for children. I can’t wait to see what’s going on there and to see how I want everyone to really think about, if you’ve listened to at least a handful of these podcast episodes, it’s highly probable that at some point you heard me make reference to the fact, like what I said to Marissa, that, we all had gym class, right?

[00:58:34] Chris: In grade school and high school, maybe even in college, but we didn’t, no one like had, no one had emotional mastery class, right? Where she described that, it’s funny, you think field due results has been a staple, my work forever. And she said, thoughts, feelings, behaviors, and that’s it. So teaching this to kids, that all comes back to our thoughts, right?

[00:58:57] Chris: As Buddha said, Your whole [00:59:00] life unfolds according to the way that you think. Amen. I hope that you, there’s so many mic drop moments, what you’re meant to do, lives behind what you love to do. Comparison is the thief of joy. She credited Ralph for that. I’m crediting her belief. This is it.

[00:59:18] Chris: Belief is nothing more than a thought. You think frequently. So let’s wrap it with this frequently think amazing shit and make your beliefs powerful. All right folks, thanks as always for tuning into tough talks, and until next time, create miracles.

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